Hauptmann6 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 10 hours ago, pipedreams said: Question, is a ministers salary and church employees tax free or is it taxable. Churches don't pay taxes on money donated to them and don't pay property taxes. They do have to pay on certain properties and other things. According to a catholic priest friend of mine, his income is taxable. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 14 minutes ago, Hauptmann6 said: According to a catholic priest friend of mine, his income is taxable. Why not? they are no different than a politician. They both promise you a better life if you do what they say and follow their rules. They both sit in judgement of you, threaten you with punishment for not obeying their rules and feel they are righteous in doing so. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauptmann6 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 39 minutes ago, janice6 said: Why not? they are no different than a politician. They both promise you a better life if you do what they say and follow their rules. They both sit in judgement of you, threaten you with punishment for not obeying their rules and feel they are righteous in doing so. I was just answering the question. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyzz Kydd Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 He’s just preaching what the book says. I get a kick out of Christians who ignore the parts of the Bible they don’t like. Not much different from idiots who preach Islam is a peaceful religion. Violence and judgement are integral parts of all three major religions. If you’re an adherent to one of them you own that. In for a penny, in for a pound. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotsman Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 Actually, he's not. I'm always astounded by people that have read bits and pieces of the Bible and now feel that can speak with authority as to it's context and meaning. That "pastor" is completely off the rails, and I guess he is one of the false teachers we are warned about. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricordo Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 19 minutes ago, Scotsman said: Actually, he's not. I'm always astounded by people that have read bits and pieces of the Bible and now feel that can speak with authority as to it's context and meaning. That "pastor" is completely off the rails, and I guess he is one of the false teachers we are warned about. It's the pesky "Don't judge" thing. One of my friends (RIP), Korean war vet and pastor, went into the same diatribe once with me. I responded that it was not upon me to judge them. He remained silent, never brought it up again. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyzz Kydd Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 Leviticus 18 and 20. "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.“ "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." Im not advocating by any means! I’m agnostic, and could care less what anyone’s preferences/identity are/is. But, it says what it says….Sodom(y) and Gomorrah ring a bell? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricordo Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 That's one of the differences between the Old and the New Testaments. It's like a Coke or Pepsi thing. I'd rather follow Baby Jesus. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmet Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 The Christian Right is just as bad as the liberal left IMO- always right while everyone with a different opinion/belief/lifestyle is always wrong. YMMV... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huaco Kid Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 47 minutes ago, Valmet said: The Christian Right is just as bad as the liberal left IMO- always right while everyone with a different opinion/belief/lifestyle is always wrong. YMMV... I pay extremely little attention to either. And a thousand other "groups". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fog Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 Here is another case of religion run amok. In this case it's the opposite end of the spectrum ending up where you can't tell a difference. How many people will die of cancer because they just had to ruin the life of one man? https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/he-was-a-world-renowned-cancer-researcher?s=w 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 15 hours ago, Hauptmann6 said: I was just answering the question. I know. I meant nothing bad to you. It was just a statement. I believe in God, I will never believe that someone sits between you and your God. Anyone that tells me what I must do to be a believer is a charlatan and is trying to be a demigod in my opinion. Everything is just between me and my God. Sorry to make it sound as though it referred to you. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipedreams Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
railfancwb Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Fog said: Here is another case of religion run amok. In this case it's the opposite end of the spectrum ending up where you can't tell a difference. How many people will die of cancer because they just had to ruin the life of one man? https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/he-was-a-world-renowned-cancer-researcher?s=w Hopefully he could migrate to Russia. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAKA Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Fog said: Here is another case of religion run amok. In this case it's the opposite end of the spectrum ending up where you can't tell a difference. How many people will die of cancer because they just had to ruin the life of one man? https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/he-was-a-world-renowned-cancer-researcher?s=w What a waste of a great mind....Rampant stupidity 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauptmann6 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 5 hours ago, janice6 said: I know. I meant nothing bad to you. It was just a statement. I believe in God, I will never believe that someone sits between you and your God. Anyone that tells me what I must do to be a believer is a charlatan and is trying to be a demigod in my opinion. Everything is just between me and my God. Sorry to make it sound as though it referred to you. No worries! I'm of the non-religious type. Read the bible cover to cover on my own as a kid and never really got it on a religious level. The lessons of being good to your fellow man yes. But never was able to suspend my disbelieve(not of religion) enough to have faith in the miracles. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Hauptmann6 said: No worries! I'm of the non-religious type. Read the bible cover to cover on my own as a kid and never really got it on a religious level. The lessons of being good to your fellow man yes. But never was able to suspend my disbelieve(not of religion) enough to have faith in the miracles. That's interesting since I read the Bible as a youngster too. I got I got tired of all the different denominations in my town saying they were the only "right" one. I decided that the single most important thing I gleaned from the Bible is that you should treat those around you as you wanted to be treated. Unfortunately, I never did learn to "turn the other cheek". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyzz Kydd Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Me either. OTH I also don’t believe in ‘getting even.’ If payback is called for I figure might as well get ahead. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotsman Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 19 hours ago, Valmet said: The Christian Right is just as bad as the liberal left IMO- always right while everyone with a different opinion/belief/lifestyle is always wrong. YMMV... So the Christian Right is just as bad as the people that advocate and celebrate the murder of unborn, and possibly even shortly after birth, humans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmet Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 To me, absolutely they are. Bottom line- I’m not a fan of either as I find them both very hypocritical with a desire for control. Not a fan of that from either political party or belief system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
railfancwb Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Come Judgment Day, we may find that Mumbo Jumbo the God of the Congo was the Big Boss all along. Robert A. Heinlein 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
railfancwb Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Heinlein has caused his characters to make many comments about religion over the years. Search if interested… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batesmotel Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 On 6/11/2022 at 6:29 PM, Mrs.Cicero said: Bunch of churches losing their minds in both direction. We just revoked our membership in one that went crazy in the same direction as the loon in the original post... it starts with "Women can't teach boys 13 or older" and "Women can't teach men, " and "Women and their immodest clothing is to blame for men sinning..." Then the pastor decides he doesn't have to answer to the elders, and the elders decide they don't answer to the congregation, and half the congregation decides the other half that doesn't agree with any of this is evil and should be yanked up like "weeds" (Yeah, that's about the nicest thing we were called). Anyway, they made the church a very, very unsafe place to be a woman or a child. I give it two years before the first incident of sexual abuse occurs... but the pastor will cover it up like his idol (yes, I chose that word on purpose), John MacArthur, has done repeatedly, because doing anything else will damage his golden calf/cash cow. Two Years? When things go that far off the rails, that fast, I’ll bet it’s already happened. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs.Cicero Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 6 hours ago, Batesmotel said: Two Years? When things go that far off the rails, that fast, I’ll bet it’s already happened. That... wouldn't actually surprise me. Personally, I've suspected for some time that the lead pastor has a problem with porn if nothing else. He has set up an environment in which women are responsible for men sinning because , since they don't dress modestly enough to keep him from sinning, and he's so perfect it can't possibly be his fault... it must be the women who are to blame...and that never ends well. The "elders" doubled down on their venal stupidity last night. Well, they've doubled down on their hypocrisy and lies at every opportunity they were given to repent and change their ways, so I shouldn't have been surprised at all. The associate pastor wanted to resign, they told him they'd pay him for the month of vacation he had accrued, plus two months severance, but he had to sign a non-compete (!!!?) clause that said he would NEVER pastor a church within 30 miles of their cult. And they told him if he didn't resign, they would fire him. He walked out. He has been the ONLY honest, upright person throughout ALL of this. He went home, then sent them an email saying he is resigning without the severance pkg to avoid the non-compete clause which would violate his conscience to sign. You cannot claim to be remotely Christian if you are barring a pastor from pastoring another church willing to have him. The hypocrisy is overwhelming. How on earth do you justify depriving other Christians of pastoral care just because he doesn't agree that women teaching 13 year old boys about the Bible is a sin? He has already told everyone who revoked their memberships in the cult that now is NOT the time to start a new church because anger and bitterness would poison it from the start, and he wouldn't pastor a new church plant right now for that reason. He COULD have - there are enough people with enough money who have left the cult that we could swing buying the defunct UMC church that's for sale at the other end of town, and hire him as pastor. We checked out the finances involved to see if that would work. But once again, he's doing the right thing... and the cult is doing him wrong. It's disgusting. Their ends justify in their minds whatever means necessary to achieve them, no matter how unethical, immoral, or sinful. You know they'll think nothing of covering up sexual abuse to "save" their cult. Soooo... then they contacted him again to tell him he should re-think signing the non-compete clause because it would be "less damaging to the 'church'" if he did. As if. Their lies and manipulations have done all the damage, but they'll never take responsibility for any of it. I want to be a hermit on a mountaintop again. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
railfancwb Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 5 hours ago, Mrs.Cicero said: Soooo... then they contacted him again to tell him he should re-think signing the non-compete clause because it would be "less damaging to the 'church'" if he did. As if. Their lies and manipulations have done all the damage, but they'll never take responsibility for any of it. I want to be a hermit on a mountaintop again. Suspect he can get his month’s pay for accrued vacation without signing the non-compete. He might have to sue though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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