railfancwb Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 I have read that some men had enough front teeth pulled that they could no longer quickly tear open a powder cartridge when reloading a rifle or musket. This supposedly kept them from being drafted because they were physically unable to serve How much truth is in this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MO Fugga Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 ******* in every era. UkroNazis breaking each others legs to get out of serving, cowardly Boomer hippie scum fleeing to Canada to avoid Vietnam, etc. Lincoln was a war criminal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deputy tom Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 2 hours ago, railfancwb said: I have read that some men had enough front teeth pulled that they could no longer quickly tear open a powder cartridge when reloading a rifle or musket. This supposedly kept them from being drafted because they were physically unable to serve How much truth is in this? That's what we were taught in school. tom. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauptmann6 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 That's one I've never heard of. Joining a regiment, taking the enlistment money and running away, yes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batesmotel Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 My question is this. If succession was solely about states rights and not about slavery, then why did the states that left demand keeping slaves as one of their rights? it was just about slaves. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fog Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 I think it was 18 years before the civil war the south agreed to a plan to phase out slavery over a six year period, the idea being to give their economy a transition period. It started with all were born free, then over a certain age and women were released, then everyone was set free. Other details, but that was the gist of it. The north refused because "Slavery is evil and must stop now!" Lots of blood spilled needlessly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
railfancwb Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 10 hours ago, Fog said: I think it was 18 years before the civil war the south agreed to a plan to phase out slavery over a six year period, the idea being to give their economy a transition period. It started with all were born free, then over a certain age and women were released, then everyone was set free. Other details, but that was the gist of it. The north refused because "Slavery is evil and must stop now!" Lots of blood spilled needlessly. The popular press in the north made slavery a primary issue. Per Lincoln’s speeches he was willing to have the constitution amended to explicitly allow it in states where it existed - which in fact would have included many northern states. His Emancipation Proclamation exempted states not part of the rebellion. In fact, slaves in “West” Virginia could not be affected by the proclamation while those in “Old” Virginia were. Lincoln’s War was primarily about collecting his tariff which protected northern industry from British and other European industry and financed the federal government. Before Lincoln’s War “These United States are…” while after his war “The United States is…” 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MO Fugga Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 He didn't free them out of kindness. Economic and political leverage only. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
railfancwb Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 He and others for awhile publicly advocated exporting those of African ancestry back to Africa. Liberia was founded based upon this concept. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 2 hours ago, railfancwb said: He and others for awhile publicly advocated exporting those of African ancestry back to Africa. Liberia was founded based upon this concept. Good alternative 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fog Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 I'm not a history expert by any means, but it seems the civil war is one of the least understood major world events, and it was by design. By saying "It was about slavery!" it almost seems like maybe all the deaths were worth it. But if you say "I spilled the blood of all your loved ones for a business deal to protect my donors." that is just much harder to market. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MO Fugga Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, Fog said: I'm not a history expert by any means, but it seems the civil war is one of the least understood major world events, and it was by design. By saying "It was about slavery!" it almost seems like maybe all the deaths were worth it. But if you say "I spilled the blood of all your loved ones for a business deal to protect my donors." that is just much harder to market. The truth is often bitter. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silentpoet Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 If Biden didn’t have dementia maybe he could tell us. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostinTexas Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 On 2/26/2024 at 12:56 AM, Fog said: I think it was 18 years before the civil war the south agreed to a plan to phase out slavery over a six year period, the idea being to give their economy a transition period. It started with all were born free, then over a certain age and women were released, then everyone was set free. Other details, but that was the gist of it. The north refused because "Slavery is evil and must stop now!" Lots of blood spilled needlessly. The northern states, and feds didn't want the south to profit from the industrial revolution that was starting in full swing. They were afraid the would become "too powerful". The south also wanted to make their own agreements for commerce with foreign countries. Slavery was an excuse and the was halted the expansion of the industrial revolution and kept the practice of slavery in tact longer than it would have been. A lot, maybe all the slave states noted the practice as one of their reasons for secession. That one line is the basis of the popular rhetoric. Not a fan of the US .gov of the time, along with the preposterous sanctions of the oppressed victims they created. Lincoln wanted to send all the blacks out of the US. That was the original plan, not sure what happened to it though. Not sure what the story was about the teeth in the OP either. Never heard that story until now. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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