Fog Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 What's up with that? Does the wagner dude want to be the new czar? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Eric Posted June 24, 2023 Administrators Share Posted June 24, 2023 That guy is going to end up backing up to a wall to pose for some rifle fire if he isn't careful. I can't believe he hasn't already been dealt with. Putin is vulnerable and having that sort of public challenge to his authority is very dangerous. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fog Posted June 24, 2023 Author Share Posted June 24, 2023 Talking to a friend and he thinks it might be a trap for Ukraine. Theory is that Russia pretends to be having a war, gives up some ground, then turns around and crushes the Ukrainians that moved into what is basically no mans land. I personally think that is too involved to be a Russian tactic. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipedreams Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 This might have something to do with the issue. Wagner Chief Claims Russia Killed ‘Huge’ Number Of Troops In Strike At Wagner Camp, But Russia Denies Attack Yevgeny Prigozhin, the head of the mercenary organization known as the Wagner Group that has been a critical force supporting Russia’s military throughout its invasion of Ukraine, claimed Russia’s military killed a “huge” number of Wagner paramilitaries in an attack on a Wagner Group camp, as the war in Ukraine drags on and as tensions escalate between the paramilitary group and Moscow. https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2023/06/23/wagner-chief-claims-russia-killed-huge-number-of-troops-in-strike-at-wagner-camp-but-russia-denies-attack/?sh=4b4b2d05d28c Lot's of info out there about this subject. cbc.ca › news › world › russia-ukraine-wagner-bakhmut-1.6853725Wagner Group leader says more than 20,000 of his troops died in Bakhmut ... The head of the Russian private army Wagner has again broken with the Kremlin line on Ukraine, saying its goal of demilitarizing the country has backfired, acknowledging Russian troops have... bbc.com › news › world-60947877What is Russia's Wagner Group of mercenaries in Ukraine? The Wagner Group (officially called PMC Wagner) was first identified in 2014, when it was backing pro-Russian separatist forces in eastern Ukraine. At that time it was a secretive organisation ... theguardian.com › world › 2022 › nov › 14 › family-expresses-horror-at-video-of...Family ‘horrified’ by video of sledgehammer killing of Wagner Group ... Nuzhin, 55, had been serving a 24-year prison sentence for a murder he committed in 1999 when he was freed in July and conscripted into Wagner, a notorious military group run by Yevgeny... rferl.org › a › russia-wagner-mercenary-deaths-hidden-compensation-ukraine › ...'No Body, No Payment': Wagner Mercenary Deaths Being Hidden From ... March 11, 2023 20:09 GMT By Andrei Krasno The graves of mercenary fighters for Russia's Wagner group in a cemetery near the village of Bakinskaya in the Krasnodar region. (file photo) The... theguardian.com › world › 2023 › jun › 23 › wagner-chief-accuses-russias-military-of...Russia investigates Wagner chief for ‘armed mutiny’ after call for ... Russia’s FSB security service has opened a criminal case for armed mutiny against Wagner’s Yevgeny Prigozhin after the mercenary chief accused the Russian military of targeting his forces and ... theguardian.com › ... › wagner-group-release-video-of-captured-russian-commanderWagner captures Russian commander as Prigozhin feud with army escalates ... Pjotr Sauer Mon 5 Jun 2023 06.16 EDT Last modified on Mon 5 Jun 2023 12.37 EDT Yevgeny Prigozhin’s Wagner group of mercenaries has captured a Russian commander, as the notorious leader... washingtonpost.com › world › 2023 › 06 › 23 › prigozhin-wagner-mercenary-russia-militaryWagner mercenary boss faces arrest over 'incitement to armed rebellion ... Yevgeniy Prigozhin, founder of the Wagner mercenary group, leaves a cemetery in Moscow on April 8, before the funeral of a Russian military blogger who was killed in a bomb attack in a St ... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fog Posted June 24, 2023 Author Share Posted June 24, 2023 Now they have a "cease fire" if you can call it that. Everybody going back to their bases. A deal has been brokered. Trouble averted. Now the "accidents" will start to pile up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipedreams Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyzz Kydd Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 I have a feeling Prigozhin may be flight tested in the near future, and fail. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fog Posted June 24, 2023 Author Share Posted June 24, 2023 Something is way off with the whole thing. But, truth is sometimes stranger than fiction. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs.Cicero Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 My question is always… what can we learn from this incident…? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 51 minutes ago, Mrs.Cicero said: My question is always… what can we learn from this incident…? Or, what are we supposed to think we learned. The Propaganda coming out of the Ukraine and Russia is overwhelming, and our own government is complicit in it . I'm choosing to not believe anything till I see either the Ukraine lay down their American arms, or the Russians laying down their Chinese arms. America has no arms to lay down it all went to the Ukraine........ We are defenseless. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmet Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 OceanGate can finally sit down and take a few breaths... 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipedreams Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 As the search for reliable information continues, allegations are emerging that the United States is working behind the scenes. Some say the CIA convinced Prigozhin to turn against the Russian President. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul53 Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 Putin pardoned the Wagner Chief. Isn't that usually so he'll relax and drink the poison? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rellik Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Paul53 said: Putin pardoned the Wagner Chief. Isn't that usually so he'll relax and drink the poison? High probability. He crossed a kgb col. This leads to neither long life, or peaceful retirement. If you let him slide, someone else is gonna try. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rellik Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 Both of these guys better sniff their wine glasses for Alpha rays! Georgie's castor bean Umbrella is so 1970s. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
railfancwb Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Rellik said: Both of these guys better sniff their wine glasses for Alpha rays! Georgie's castor bean Umbrella is so 1970s. Don’t guess either will Arkanside. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipedreams Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 The latest word if true. Putin scammed the world by faking the coup to fool NATO and eliminate disloyal high ranking military inside Russia without protests from other officials. The ploy also duped Ukraine into advancing, thinking Russia was weak, thus revealing their entire offensive. If that’s what he did it was a genius military tactic that will go down as one of the greatest moves in military history. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipedreams Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Spicoli Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 I don't need your civil war, it feed the rich while it buries the poor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fog Posted June 26, 2023 Author Share Posted June 26, 2023 1 hour ago, pipedreams said: The latest word if true. Putin scammed the world by faking the coup to fool NATO and eliminate disloyal high ranking military inside Russia without protests from other officials. The ploy also duped Ukraine into advancing, thinking Russia was weak, thus revealing their entire offensive. If that’s what he did it was a genius military tactic that will go down as one of the greatest moves in military history. I have wondered about this from the get go. Ukraine said they were just going to wait and see, but actually they started moving forward into areas that seemed recently abandonded by Wagner soldiers. I'm sure they tried to be careful, that is the chances one takes in war, you can't afford to wait and you can't move too soon. It has some of the hallmarks of Turkey. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Longmire Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 On 6/24/2023 at 2:47 PM, pipedreams said: As the search for reliable information continues, allegations are emerging that the United States is working behind the scenes. Some say the CIA convinced Prigozhin to turn against the Russian President. If we are, it isn't Biden's doing. He doesn't even know what day it is, or where to exit the stage while he holds his hand out shaking hands with imaginary people. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tous Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 37 minutes ago, Fog said: I have wondered about this from the get go. Ukraine said they were just going to wait and see, but actually they started moving forward into areas that seemed recently abandonded by Wagner soldiers. I'm sure they tried to be careful, that is the chances one takes in war, you can't afford to wait and you can't move too soon. It has some of the hallmarks of Turkey. Our government and bureaucracy is populated entirely by corrupt, professional, blatant liars. Why would anyone ever think that other countries are different? Someone, somewhere is making a ton of money from this so-called insurrection. Mebbe we should send Putin Nancy Pelosi to get to the bottom of it. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fog Posted June 26, 2023 Author Share Posted June 26, 2023 49 minutes ago, tous said: Our government and bureaucracy is populated entirely by corrupt, professional, blatant liars. Why would anyone ever think that other countries are different? Someone, somewhere is making a ton of money from this so-called insurrection. Mebbe we should send Putin Nancy Pelosi to get to the bottom of it. Mebbe we should just send and not care what Putin does with her. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Spicoli Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 Somone on another forum implied the US is involved behind the scenes. I don't buy it. Sometimes things happen across the globe that we have no control over. Everyone is theorizing because of a lack of credible intel. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul53 Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 I understand I might be prejudiced by living through the Viet Nam days, but it seems like: Wars continue as long as there's money to be made and poor to be sacrificed. Both sides lie about casualty numbers, who's winning, and much, much more. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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