Ricordo Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Regards, From Tampa, with love.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmet Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) Interesting developments indeed today. Edited June 21, 2019 by Valmet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 I heard a Millennial today illustrate how math is hard. the drone was $180 million dollars.....that’s almost 2 billion apiece . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tadbart Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Well, this one got me asking questions. How does Iran know it was a Global Hawk, unless they recovered parts in their territory? Isn't that a stealth craft? How did they manage to shoot it down? The spin up, and subsequent backing up, of military response makes me think that new info came to light; whether that was Iran's Prez calling the red phone and saying he executed the General who authorized the SAM launch in error, or that our own intel showed that the hawk had strayed into Iranian space, is anyone's guess. Though the best in the world, the US military and intel complexes are not infallible. My take is, we done fked up on this one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tadbart Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 @Presguy thank you for your experienced view. I hope your gut is right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 37 minutes ago, tadbart said: Well, this one got me asking questions. How does Iran know it was a Global Hawk, unless they recovered parts in their territory? Isn't that a stealth craft? How did they manage to shoot it down? The spin up, and subsequent backing up, of military response makes me think that new info came to light; whether that was Iran's Prez calling the red phone and saying he executed the General who authorized the SAM launch in error, or that our own intel showed that the hawk had strayed into Iranian space, is anyone's guess. Though the best in the world, the US military and intel complexes are not infallible. My take is, we done fked up on this one. It's only stealth is that it's "relatively small", and somewhat quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tadbart Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 @janice6 I'd like it if I could, but there's a glitch that has removed my ability to do so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Just now, tadbart said: @janice6 I'd like it if I could, but there's a glitch that has removed my ability to do so. HUH? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 1 minute ago, tadbart said: @janice6 I'd like it if I could, but there's a glitch that has removed my ability to do so. OHhhhh. Now I remember some are having "like" problems. Sorry, I'm slow and heading for the tv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tous Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 1 hour ago, tadbart said: How does Iran know it was a Global Hawk, unless they recovered parts in their territory? Isn't that a stealth craft? How did they manage to shoot it down? The MQ-4 has a cruising speed of around 300 knots. Some King Airs are faster. As guy of Pred mentioned, it is also smaller than a King Air. Any air defense RADAR operator that can't identify it, distinguish it from an air superiority asset or a commercial airliner, is a bozo and Iran probably doesn't employ clowns for air defense. Easy to detect, easy to identify, easy to track, easy to kill. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbie18 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 It's also worth noting that drone flies up to 60K feet. You're not shooting down something at that altitude by accident. I'm not sure what my point is.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M&P15T Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 It's all very odd. Iran's economy is close to collapse, the the government must be fearing revolution at this point. So they're trying to stay sweet with their population by standing up to the Great Satan and the West, by mining oil tankers and shooting down our drones. This is all Cold War crap. It's still a proxy conflict between us and the Soviets. Just like Korea, Vietnam, Gulf Wars, etc., etc...... As long a there's no boots on the ground, I'd be for some strikes that take out their nuclear facilities. Although I have read that their main facility is buried in a mountain to be safe from air strikes. I've also read that Iran has some serious bio-weapons. That's a bit concerning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bish1309 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 8 hours ago, janice6 said: Sorry, I'm slow and heading for the tv. NOOOO!!!! Don't do it. It's a trick. Stay away from that evil box. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 My guess is there is some dirty little trick that is about to happen in Iran. They earned it. It might have been there is a better more devious way to deal with the situation rather than a large scale attack. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silentpoet Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 41 minutes ago, Historian said: My guess is there is some dirty little trick that is about to happen in Iran. They earned it. It might have been there is a better more devious way to deal with the situation rather than a large scale attack. Stuxnet (sp) virus that destroyed their centrifuges comes to mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricordo Posted June 21, 2019 Author Share Posted June 21, 2019 I agree with President Trump. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-called-off-retaliatory-strike-against-iran-in-last-minute-wsj No need over a $130m apparatus. There are other ways of handling the matter. Circumstances and purpose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moshe Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 This conflict will not conclusively end without nuking their nukes as assisted by Russia and Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 All you have to do is pay them, and they won’t do this stuff. Jeez, it’s just money. - Obama . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moshe Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, Dric902 said: All you have to do is pay them, and they won’t do this stuff. Jeez, it’s just money. - Obama . He and Russian contractors gave Iran that ability. It was money in Obama's pocket. It seems liberals want to give the ability of hostile nations to destroy us from the Clintons and China, then Obama and Iran. Anything for a buck, even it will create an eventual nuclear winter unless checked. Using the above quote, you could equally triple my retirement not to snipe idiots too. So, my rifle and I will be waiting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Apparently (according to Stewart Varney) the military leaders were furious with a local commander for shooting down the drone. When the Prez heard about it, he aborted the strike. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie-pete Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) His Tweet said differently. Gawd, I hope he is not turning into a politician. Edited June 21, 2019 by willie-pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 1 hour ago, willie-pete said: His Tweet said differently. Gawd, I hope he is not turning into a politician. Turning? . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huaco Kid Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 The media was explosively OUTRAGED because Trump was going to start a war!!! The next morning, they were OUTRAGED that he didn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huaco Kid Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 1984. (what we said yesterday, we never said) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, Huaco Kid said: The media was explosively OUTRAGED because Trump was going to start a war!!! The next morning, they were OUTRAGED that he didn't. Isn't their outrage interesting, when it doesn't relate to an impending war at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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