gwalchmai Posted March 29 Author Share Posted March 29 41 minutes ago, pipedreams said: Why is the CDC sending Hazmat containers to Sir Lanka? Bet this is swept under the rug and no more will be heard about it. I thought it was an open secret that we send "all that chit" to the third world for "processing". 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tous Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 At this very moment, Democrat donors, operatives and lobbyists (and Nancy Peloisi) are figuring their share of the 50 billion dollar payout coming soon for a bridge that will probably never be built. 10% for the Big Guy, of course. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipedreams Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 1 minute ago, tous said: At this very moment, Democrat donors, operatives and lobbyists (and Nancy Peloisi) are figuring their share of the 50 billion dollar payout coming soon for a bridge that will probably never be built. 10% for the Big Guy, of course. Maybe they will build a tunnel like they talked about in the 70's 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullClip Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 My buddy just got a call from his old tugboat company to help man up some boats that move cranes and dredgers around for the Baltimore clean up. They made him an offer he couldn't refuse, so he's packing his sea bag again. They own the big crane and just brought it down to the bridge. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Spicoli Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Just now, tous said: At this very moment, Democrat donors, operatives and lobbyists (and Nancy Peloisi) are figuring their share of the 50 billion dollar payout coming soon for a bridge that will probably never be built. 10% for the Big Guy, of course. Things have changed since Brandon's dementia. They pay him in Corn Pops now. Dr. Jill started to complain but they asked her if she was feeling suicidal and she shut the fook up. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Spicoli Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 17 minutes ago, pipedreams said: This accident opened another can of worms besides the actual crash. Investigators are now telling us it could take 24 months to find answers surrounding one of the worst maritime crashes in American History. This is as we learn an elite Coast Guard team is inspecting 13 Centers for Disease Control containers that were on board labeled with the warning “Hazardous Materials.” This raises all kinds of questions. Why is the CDC sending Hazmat containers to Sir Lanka? That is where the Dali was headed when it left the Port of Baltimore before crashing into the Scott Key Francis Bridge. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/cdc-hazmat-containers-board-dali-could-baltimore-bridge/ Bet this is swept under the rug and no more will be heard about it. Hmm, what is in those containers???? I wonder how many in that Elite CC team will see so much trauma they off themselves? A few have stated it was an accident. Now it very well could be but isn't it a bit early to say? Also, can't intentional acts be made to look like an accident? Foster and Epstein are asking. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwalchmai Posted March 29 Author Share Posted March 29 3 hours ago, pipedreams said: Maybe they will build a tunnel like they talked about in the 70's Get down! WAY DOWN! With the George Floyd Memorial Tunnel for Mostly Nonviolent Social Change. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tous Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 A tunnel won't work. They can't find enough drag queens to work the job, homosexuals won't get dirt on their hands and the transgender people can't decide what they are day to day, hour by hour, so they can't decide which way to dig. Besides, whichever way they dig -- it's a racist tunnel. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MO Fugga Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 21 hours ago, gwalchmai said: Pretty sure Pete would be taking the dirt road... That won't slow him down. He's already got his **** packed. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 On 3/26/2024 at 6:04 PM, tous said: A ship that loses way is like an automobile on black ice. You are no longer master of the sea, you're just along for the ride. Black Ice: I was driving on Mille Lacs lake one strange winter, cold without snow. At night the Ice was smooth and black, the lake is miles across. You went slow with the driver's door open in case you went into open water. If you touched the brakes, you slid slowly for a half mile before stopping. The most frightened I have ever been in my life. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs.Cicero Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 5 hours ago, janice6 said: Black Ice: I was driving on Mille Lacs lake one strange winter, cold without snow. At night the Ice was smooth and black, the lake is miles across. You went slow with the driver's door open in case you went into open water. If you touched the brakes, you slid slowly for a half mile before stopping. The most frightened I have ever been in my life. Why?!! Why were you driving across the lake?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwalchmai Posted March 30 Author Share Posted March 30 2 hours ago, Mrs.Cicero said: Why?!! Why were you driving across the lake?! He's a man. We have to do things. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
railfancwb Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 On 3/28/2024 at 12:25 AM, tous said: Just me, but after having seen the video a number of times, and it is likely because of the perspective, but that vessel was in the wrong place to pass under the highest part of that bridge. If they did indeed lose way due to propulsion failure, the vessel was in calm seas and looked to have around five knots on. It certainly had enough momentum to pass under the span if it were navigating correctly. It looked to slew to starboard as it approached the bridge; why? If it lost way, keep rudder amidships and preserve momentum and velocity and keep going straight ahead -- under the span it should have been lined up on many meters before. The vessel should have been lined up correctly to pass under the span by then; no turns should have been needed or ordered. The vessel struck a bridge pylon bow on, doing the most damage. Why didn't the pilot or captain try to swing the bow and take a glancing blow instead? I know what you're thinking -- what about the current? It's in a bay and even a swift current directly abeam should not move a vessel of that size tonnage that quickly like I saw in the video. As I said, it might just be the perspective in the video and I may well be full of it, but it doesn't look right to be a simple accident. I have great respect for the NTSB and their engineers, but I think we're going to be lied to -- again. I'll watch the news conference and see which dogs and which ponies they choose to show. We now return you to your regularly scheduled program. Wonder if that ship has now and/or stern thrusters. If so they are probably powered by electric motors. If the big diesel quit the thrusters wouldn’t thrust in that case. Wasn’t the harbor pilot in charge of getting the ship from its dock spot out to “open waters”? Looking at Google Earth that bridge appears to be a good way from ocean open waters, so when would the pilot normally leave? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
railfancwb Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Another voice… https://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/baltimore-bridge-collision/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipedreams Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 5 hours ago, railfancwb said: Wonder if that ship has now and/or stern thrusters. If so they are probably powered by electric motors. If the big diesel quit the thrusters wouldn’t thrust in that case. Wasn’t the harbor pilot in charge of getting the ship from its dock spot out to “open waters”? Looking at Google Earth that bridge appears to be a good way from ocean open waters, so when would the pilot normally leave? I would of though the tug boats that maneuver and escort these large ships would of stayed with the ship till they cleared the bridge. After some reading, apparently that is not the case and the tugs normally drop off prior to the bridge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tous Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 6 hours ago, railfancwb said: Wonder if that ship has now and/or stern thrusters. If so they are probably powered by electric motors. If the big diesel quit the thrusters wouldn’t thrust in that case. Wasn’t the harbor pilot in charge of getting the ship from its dock spot out to “open waters”? Looking at Google Earth that bridge appears to be a good way from ocean open waters, so when would the pilot normally leave? 24 minutes ago, pipedreams said: I would of though the tug boats that maneuver and escort these large ships would of stayed with the ship till they cleared the bridge. After some reading, apparently that is not the case and the tugs normally drop off prior to the bridge. Tugs only aid ships to maneuver in tight spaces, such as narrow channels or helping a ship along side in high winds. That vessel was in a river and the pilot was there to keep the ship in the channel - which would be marked with obvious markers. I do not know if the channel had challenging turns, but navigation is pretty simple: point vessel at about five knots at the bridge's highest point. River current will be pretty much astern. Do nothing else until vessel passes under the bridge's highest point. Sail away. Even if the engines failed, the vessel was on course and had enough velocity and a current astern to safely pass under the span. Why was it wriggling and swinging like a pole dancer? A gazillion ships had done it before. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 11 hours ago, Mrs.Cicero said: Why?!! Why were you driving across the lake?! My state and many of its inhabitants enjoy (or I used to) Ice fishing. You fish most of the time evenings through the night, Sometimes in a "Dark house", so called because in the daylight the light from the fishing hole in the ice is projected into the water and it's an anomaly thusly scaring the fish away. With a fish house over the hole and the door closed it's dark and you can see into the hole in the ice and damn near to the bottom, to look for the fish approaching your bait. Some, including members of my company's Research Department fish into Spring. One Physicist I'm friends with, carried planks in his pickup to be able to drive over the open water at the lakes edge so he could get out onto the ice to drive to his favorite spot to fish. I'm not trying to be condescending, but from your remark I presume you may not be used to Ice Fishing. Mille Lacs Lake I referred to is 7 miles wide. ICE DEPTH (on average) 2-4 ft. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs.Cicero Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 41 minutes ago, janice6 said: My state and many of its inhabitants enjoy (or I used to) Ice fishing. You fish most of the time evenings through the night, Sometimes in a "Dark house", so called because in the daylight the light from the fishing hole in the ice is projected into the water and it's an anomaly thusly scaring the fish away. With a fish house over the hole and the door closed it's dark and you can see into the hole in the ice and damn near to the bottom, to look for the fish approaching your bait. Some, including members of my company's Research Department fish into Spring. One Physicist I'm friends with, carried planks in his pickup to be able to drive over the open water at the lakes edge so he could get out onto the ice to drive to his favorite spot to fish. I'm not trying to be condescending, but from your remark I presume you may not be used to Ice Fishing. Mille Lacs Lake I referred to is 7 miles wide. ICE DEPTH (on average) 2-4 ft. I only fish when I can stand IN the river, preferably without waders. I am a complete sissy about fishing when the temp gets below 55F. So you are right, I know nothing about ice fishing, and I feel about driving on a frozen lake even worse than I feel about driving over the Mighty Mack. I hate that bridge. Ugh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tous Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Just drive over it north one last time. Stay in Da UP. Have a pasty and cudeghi sandwich and some hard toast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 17 minutes ago, Mrs.Cicero said: I only fish when I can stand IN the river, preferably without waders. I am a complete sissy about fishing when the temp gets below 55F. So you are right, I know nothing about ice fishing, and I feel about driving on a frozen lake even worse than I feel about driving over the Mighty Mack. I hate that bridge. Ugh. I understand about the bridge. There was a bridge in Charleston, S.C. that I hated. Can't remember Either the Ashley or Cooper river. Black ice is the most terrifying either on lakes or roads, for me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tous Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Just a small warning. There might be Moomins in Da UP. Leave Batesmotel at home. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batesmotel Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 I ain’t going anywhere cold. I’m staying right here in the desert. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwalchmai Posted March 31 Author Share Posted March 31 I dunno, but there's a lot of speculation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwalchmai Posted March 31 Author Share Posted March 31 Maybe insurance will cover it... https://mykn.kuehne-nagel.com/news/article/pi-clubs-face-huge-bill-for-baltimore-bridge-27-Mar-2024 26 March 2024 (Lloyd's List) - THE allision of Maersk-operated boxship Dali (IMO: 9697428) with the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore this morning looks set to leave marine insurers facing the biggest claim since the $500m-$600m outlay on car carrier Felicity Ace (IMO: 9293911) two years ago. Attempts to assess the size of a payout just hours after a major casualty inevitably have a 'back of an envelope' quality. But the replacement value of the bridge and the possible loss of life involved point to a bill running to hundreds of millions of dollars. A claim on that scale could see the previous record for International Group pool scheme payouts, set in 2021-22, comfortably tumble. The casualty will now be the subject of a casualty investigation, formally the responsibility of flag state Singapore. But given the location of the incident, the National Transportation Safety Board - the US equivalent of Britain's Marine Accident Investigation Branch - is likely to step in. The subsequent reports will contribute to legal determination of liability. If the owners are deemed liable, the bill effectively passes to their protection and indemnity insurers. According to the IG database, Dali is entered with Britannia, a London-based marine mutual. Britannia has been approached for confirmation. The largest element of any payout will be the value of the Francis Scott Key Bridge, which was built in 1977 at a cost of $60m at the time, equivalent to over $300m today. However, construction inflation has far outstripped consumer price inflation over the intervening period, and the replacement cost could be substantially higher. No deaths have yet been reported, but fears are growing for the seven people still missing. The lives of US citizens are deemed to be worth far greater compensation than the lives of third-world seafarers. P&I clubs generally offer single-digit million dollar payouts to victims' families, preferring the certainty of a quick settlement to costly protracted litigation in the US. Delays to other vessels are not a P&I liability, although prudent shipowners will have delay cover. P&I clubs often offer delay cover as a sideline and will find themselves on the hook for much of it. Britannia will be responsible for the first $10m of any claim on its own account. Once the bill exceeds this layer - as is certain to be the case with Dali - it is shared among IG affiliates through the pool scheme. In the simplest possible terms, the other 11 members will chip in pro rata for the $10m-$30m tranche, after which liability is reinsured through Bermuda-based captive vehicle Hydra. The general excess of loss programme, known as GXL in industry jargon, kicks in at the pool ceiling of $100m. GXL, which is funded by shipowners through a levy imposed per gross tonne, provides an additional $2bn of reinsurance in a three-layer structure. A further $1bn of reinsurance cover - known as 'the collective overspill' - is purchased by the IG to provide protection in respect of claims exceeding the upper GXL cover limit of $2.1bn. Major marine casualties are long tail events and it is often years before the full cost can be assessed. The worst in recent years was the fire and sinking of Felicity Ace in 2022. The total loss of the pure car and truck carrier is thought to have cost marine insurers somewhere upwards of $500m, with most of that accruing to cargo insurers. Costa Concordia, a cruiseship that sank off Italy in 2012 with the loss of more than 30 lives, is reputed to have cost the market over $2bn. There was a similar outlay after boxship Ever Given (IMO: 9811000) blocked the Suez Canal for six days in 2021. The highest-ever pool scheme deficit of $487m was seen in 2021-22. That fell by over 80% in 2022-23 to just $74.6m, which was heralded as unusually benign and thus a boon to the sector as a whole. A return to the deficits of the recent pasts would be bad news for shipowners as a whole, as it would likely find reflection in increased P&I pricing at the next renewal round. Source: Lloyd's List ====================== Maybe Brandon was considering his 10% when he committed you to pay for the new Bridge to the Sun... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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