pipedreams Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 "The Swiss-made Brugger and Thomet APC9K is the Army’s first official subgun since World War II. The U.S. Army has officially selected the Brugger and Thomet APC9K to outfit its Personal Security Details. The APC9K is the first new submachine gun for the U.S. Army since the M3 “Greasegun” of World War II. The service will buy 350 of the compact automatic weapons for $2.5 million, with an option to buy 1,000 more. The B&T APC9K beat out guns from more than ten other companies, including Colt and Heckler and Koch, as well as guns based on the M-16 and MP-5 weapons platforms." https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a27021124/us-army-submachine-gun/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_pop&utm_medium=email&date=040319&src=nl&utm_campaign=16468543 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G26S239 Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 That looks cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipedreams Posted April 6, 2019 Author Share Posted April 6, 2019 On 4/5/2019 at 7:43 PM, G26S239 said: That looks cool. Should, did you see the price their paying. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, pipedreams said: Should did you see the price their paying. And it looks like an Uzi... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minervadoe Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 Quote The gun uses a closed-bolt blowback system, has a maximum rate of fire of 1,080 rounds per minute, and weighs just 5.9 pounds with 30-round magazine, foregrip, and Aimpoint micro red dot aiming sight. It’s chambered in 9-millimeter Parabellum My curiosity is piqued. I wonder if the high price comes with a licensing contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 It says H & K submitted an MP5, I wonder why the didn't submit their MP7, that looks like a better gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G26S239 Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 2 hours ago, pipedreams said: Should did you see the price their paying. I just did the math. That sucks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borg warner Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 B&T males a civilian semi-auto version pistol with a seven inch barrel and a folding? (I think) brace and it seems like a rally nice gun but it's $2599 bucks swhich maeks it strictly a rich man's toy. Here's a pretty good article on the civilian version of the gun which shares many characteristics and features with the military subgun. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/10/foghorn/gun-review-bt-apc9/ And here's a picture of the military version: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NPTim Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 2.5 million for 350 units? That’s $7000+ each. :alex: Is it substantially different and/or improved from the H&K MP5? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar_ml Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 1 hour ago, NPTim said: 2.5 million for 350 units? That’s $7000+ each. :alex: Is it substantially different and/or improved from the H&K MP5? Sounds more like they used the UMP as a starting point, it's blowback with a hydraulic buffer on the back of the bolt instead of roller delayed. Also sounds like the machining on it is top notch, and there's more metal involved for a more solid feel than having a plastic subgun. So yeah, quite a bit different than the MP5. As for $7k each, I'd imagine that includes accessories, spare parts, and probably some type or refurbishing/rebuilding program in there as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverRidge01 Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 They should have reintroduced the Grease gun ( stamped, cheap as heck to produce ) or the Tommy gun in .45 caliber, I carried both at different times and found them very effective weapons .. In fact I liked the m1a1 tommy gun so much I got a Kahr semi-auto, take it to the range and it always draws a crowd .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moshe Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 What baffles me, crappy cheap pistols. to replace the 92F, or they could have done what Mitchel's Mousers did forever ago, and make 20 flush magazines for the 92F and be done with it. But, then 7K for the same round in an SBR style looking UMP. The first UMP I saw was on the SOG team and it was in .40, same as the pistol ammo, so I guess that is what they are angling for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheygriz Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 I would have preferred the FN P90. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Cheygriz said: I would have preferred the FN P90. Since it also has AP rounds available to defeat personal armor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
railfancwb Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 On 4/5/2019 at 8:03 PM, pipedreams said: Should did you see the price their paying. Less than $7,200 each. Is that a problem? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minervadoe Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, railfancwb said: Less than $7,200 each. Is that a problem? After all, it does come standard with two thirty round translucent magazines and an aimpoint sight. Not to mention the four position Picatinny rail system. You can't expect a government contractor to throw those things in for free. Edited August 28, 2020 by minervadoe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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