Gun Violence ?

[DAKA]

Chiefs kicker Harrison Butker gave the best answer when asked how we stop gun violence like the tragic Super Bowl parade shooting

Cardinal Pritchard

·Mar 19, 2024 · NottheBee.com

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Because they have a narrative to push, the media is asking Chiefs players — in this case, the kicker, Harrison Butker — about gun control (because of course).

"There is a debate in this country over the best way to curb gun violence; after being so close to it, any thoughts?"

But when you ask a tough question to a tough man like Butker, you'll get a tough answer like this one.

 

 

At the end of the day, this is degenerate violence and it should not be occurring. I think we need strong fathers in the home. I think we need men that are leading, that are setting good examples, that are teaching the young men in our society that violence is not the way to handle our disputes. It's very unfortunate what happened. Unfortunately, many, many children were injured, a beautiful young lady was killed over someone getting offended and turning to violence to handle that dispute. It's so sad. I don't think guns are the issue. I think we need fathers in the home that are being great examples for our youth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dads, you hear that?

Get off your high horse. Get off your phone. Put down the booze. Stop being a player. Go to church. Marry a woman if you're going to have children with her. Respect that woman. Respect your children. Respect your community. Get your house in order. Do the things you wished to do but never got around to. Play with your kids. Teach them the right way — not only in your words, but your actions. Help them with their homework (not too much). Help them with their daily struggles. Put God first. Put others first. Smile. Stop getting so offended.

Do all these things and you will have the happiest life imaginable. And so will your kids. And they'll grow up not to be violent criminals, but admirable fellows.

Harrison Butker has a point. We're failing as fathers. And we all know it. Now let's do something about it.

 

[Maser]

Nice answer, but will fall on deaf ears.

[El Spicoli]

To be fair, mothers have failed too.  Violence is violence.  Man murdered man long before there were guns.  It is a heart issue, not a tool issue.

[railfancwb]

24 minutes ago, El Spicoli said:

It is a heart issue, not a tool issue.

Having removed guns from most if not all otherwise non-criminals the British are now working to eliminate knives from their possession. 

[El Spicoli]

1 hour ago, railfancwb said:

Having removed guns from most if not all otherwise non-criminals the British are now working to eliminate knives from their possession. 

Well the Brits are a bunch of wankers.  Hell we broke away from the Crown for taxation AND the fact they wanted to disarm the colonists.  The Democrats are wankers too.  

[tous]

Guns aren't violent anymore than a block of cheese is violent.

Folk that are ignorant or especially those that intend to take advantage of that ignorance want to imbue inanimate objects with human characteristics when such is patently implausible.

When was the last time a block of cheese said it loved you or was visibly angry?

I remain uncertain whom I blame more: the liars or those that are dumb enough to believe the lies.

Both are fools.

 

So, there.

[El Spicoli]

Here you go, you should be scared...

https://youtu.be/dgaF-rD8Png?si=TLePjlP8WmbAuc6C

[minderasr]

9 hours ago, El Spicoli said:

Here you go, you should be scared...

https://youtu.be/dgaF-rD8Png?si=TLePjlP8WmbAuc6C

This is truly scary **** right here.  Have they released a reason for the no-knock warrant yet?

[El Spicoli]

Nope.  It the raid was "successful", you know ATF would have had a press conference.  Right now they are in CYA mode.  

If you follow some of the gun gurus on YT, you'll know there has been an uptick in ATF agents going to homes for knock n talks because the owner supposedly bought an illegal trigger  or part.  How do they know?  CC see something so they say something..... you know for the greater good.

[janice6]

15 hours ago, railfancwb said:

Having removed guns from most if not all otherwise non-criminals the British are now working to eliminate knives from their possession. 

It will never end, rocks will be banned and then water since you could drown someone. Stupidity needs a government to flourish!

[minderasr]

23 hours ago, El Spicoli said:

If you follow some of the gun gurus on YT, you'll know there has been an uptick in ATF agents going to homes

I do follow a number of them.  Nothing good to say.  People should be irate, but they're all too busy in their own little tiktok brain worlds to notice.  This weaponized lawfare needs to stop.  Gov't agencies creating "laws" without authorization, activist judges, out of control DAs.  All involved should be fired/impeached/disbarred AND face heavy monetary penalties (if not jail time or both).

[minervadoe]

I've read articles about China's social credit system and their use of facial recognition software and surveillance cameras to monitor society.

In one article a member of their security apparatus had a quote that lets you see how blind they are to their own suppression of their citizens.  He said something to the effect, "Sometimes we see that an individual buys a hammer.  Well maybe they needed a hammer.  But, then soon after they buy a knife.  Now this becomes an area for concern," and more scrutiny.

If the left succeeds in weakening our constitution, I feel like we are not far behind this.

[Mrs.Cicero]

5 hours ago, minervadoe said:

 

If the left succeeds in weakening our constitution, I feel like we are not far behind this.

Well, we've already got one ignoramus of a SCOTUS justice who thinks the First Amendment infringes on the government's right to lie to us.

[tous]

6 hours ago, minervadoe said:

I've read articles about China's social credit system and their use of facial recognition software and surveillance cameras to monitor society.

In one article a member of their security apparatus had a quote that lets you see how blind they are to their own suppression of their citizens.  He said something to the effect, "Sometimes we see that an individual buys a hammer.  Well maybe they needed a hammer.  But, then soon after they buy a knife.  Now this becomes an area for concern," and more scrutiny.

If the left succeeds in weakening our constitution, I feel like we are not far behind this.

The Constitution is now null and void, not weakened.

All we can do is remember when communism was an evil thing to be defeated, not a thing to aspire to for America.

From my cold dead hands in a pile of brass won't change a thing, but at least I'll die knowing that I once enjoyed liberty.

I'm in Texas.

Come and take it means something here -- for now.

[El Spicoli]

Totally understandable now, murder a man that makes a quarter million dollars a year as Exec. Dir. of an airport for selling too many guns privately.  Malinowski should have applied for an FFL.  Good on agents for taking out an apparent violent felon.....

https://www.kait8.com/2024/03/23/attorney-speaks-reason-behind-atf-raid-little-rock-airport-executives-home/?outputType=amp

[gwalchmai]

I was just creeped out at the WalMart by a really antisocial Roquefort in pajamas.

[DAKA]

From the NYT  as I would expect

GUEST ESSAY

Toxic Gun Culture Begins at Home

March 26, 2024, 5:01 a.m. ET

 

By Elizabeth Spiers

Ms. Spiers, a contributing Opinion writer, is a journalist and digital media strategist.

James and Jennifer Crumbley never anticipated that their then-15-year-old son, Ethan, would use the 9-millimeter Sig Sauer handgun Mr. Crumbley had bought — ostensibly as an early Christmas present — to kill four students at a Michigan high school. At least that’s the argument their lawyers made in court before Ms. Crumbley, last month, and Mr. Crumbley, almost two weeks ago, were convicted of involuntary manslaughter in separate trials. Prosecutors argued that the Crumbleys did not do enough to secure the gun and ignored warning signs that Ethan was planning to use it.

After every mass shooting by a teenager at a school, there is an instinct to look to the shooter’s parents to understand what went wrong. In the case of the Crumbleys, this seems obvious: Ethan left disturbing journal entries fantasizing about shooting up the school, and stating that he had asked his parents for help with his mental health issues but didn’t get it. His father said the family had a gun safe but the safe’s combination was the default factory setting, 0-0-0.

One factor that’s gotten less attention, however, is how the Crumbleys’ attitudes and actions reflect an increasingly insidious gun culture that treats guns as instruments of defiance and rebellion rather than as a means of last resort.

I’ve been thinking about this case a lot because I grew up in the 1980s and ’90s in a rural part of the Deep South where almost everyone I knew had guns in the house, unsecured, and mental illness was stigmatized and often went untreated. Church was considered a superior venue for counseling, and only “crazy” people sought professional help. If the evidence for criminal negligence is a failure to lock up a gun and ignoring signs of mental illness, many of the adults I grew up around would have been (and still would be) vulnerable to the same charges as the Crumbleys.

 

It’s convenient and comforting for many people to believe that if it had been their child, they’d have prevented this tragedy. But prison visiting rooms are full of good, diligent parents who never thought their kid would be capable of landing there.

My parents didn’t own a gun safe, but kept guns hidden away from us, which, like many gun owners at the time, they thought of as “secured.” The men in my family were all hunters and the guns they kept were hunting rifles, not AR-15s. (You can’t feed a family with deer meat that’s been blown to bits.) I knew my parents kept a handgun, too, but it was never shown to us, or treated as a shiny new toy.

 

Gun culture was different then. It would have never occurred to my parents to acquire an entire arsenal of guns and display them prominently around the house, as some people now do, or ludicrously suggest that Jesus Christ would have carried one. They did not, as more than a few Republican politicians have done, send out Christmas photos of their children posing with weapons designed explicitly to kill people at an age when those children likely still believed Santa existed. Open carry was legal, but if you were to walk into the local barbecue joint with a semiautomatic rifle on your back emblazoned with fake military insignia, people would think you were creepy and potentially dangerous, not an exemplar of masculinity and patriotism.

All of these things happen now with regularity, and they’re considered normal by gun owners who believe that any kind of control infringes on their Second Amendment rights. Children are introduced at a young age to guns like the Sig Sauer that Ethan Crumbley used. They’re taught to view guns as emblematic of freedom and the right to self-defense — two concepts that have been expanded to include whatever might justify unlimited accumulation of weapons.

“Freedom” is short for not being told what to do, even though the law very much dictates how and when guns should be used. “Self-defense” is often talked about as a justifiable precaution in the event of home invasion, though home invasions are as rare as four-leaf clovers and do not require an arsenal unless the invader is a small army. (It’s also worth noting that basic home security systems are far less expensive than many popular guns, which suggests that at the very least, some gun owners may be intentionally opting for the most violent potential scenario.) Most important, too many children are taught that guns confer power and can and should be used to intimidate other people. (Relatedly, any time I write about gun control, at least one gun owner emails to say he’d love to shoot me, which is not exactly evidence of responsible gun ownership.)

 

Mass shooters often begin with a grievance — toward certain populations, individuals they feel wronged by, society at large — and escalate their behavior from fantasizing about violence to planning actual attacks. A study from 2019 suggests that feeling inadequate may make gun owners more inclined toward violence. In the study, gun owners were given a task to perform and then told that they failed it. Later they were asked a number of questions, including whether they would be willing to kill someone who broke into their home, even if the intruder was leaving. “We found that the experience of failure increased participants’ view of guns as a means of empowerment,” wrote one researcher, “and enhanced their readiness to shoot and kill a home intruder.”

The study hypothesized that these gun owners “may be seeking a compensatory means to interact more effectively with their environment.”

Good parents model healthy interactions all the time. If their kids are struggling with a sense of inferiority or are having trouble dealing with failure, we teach them self-confidence and resilience. Parents who treat guns as a mechanism for feeling more significant and powerful are modeling an extremely dangerous way to interact with their environment.

What’s particularly hypocritical here is that the most strident defenders of this culture skew conservative and talk a lot about what isn’t appropriate for children and teenagers. What they think is inappropriate often includes educating kids about sex, about the fact that some people are gay or transsexual and about racism. It’s a perverse state of affairs: Exposing children to simple facts is dangerous, but exposing them to machines designed to kill is not. You can’t get your driver’s license until you’re a teenager, or buy cigarettes and alcohol until you’re 21, but much earlier than that, kids can, with adult supervision, legally learn how to end someone’s life.

Parents can’t ensure that their child won’t ever feel inferior or disempowered, or even in some cases become delusional or filled with rage. Teenagers do things that their parents would never anticipate every day, even if they’re close and communicative. Some develop serious drug habits or become radicalized into extremism or commit suicide.

 

One thing parents can ensure is that their children cannot get access to a gun in their house. The only foolproof way to do that is to ensure that there’s no gun in the house to begin with. Barring that, parents can make sure they are not reinforcing a toxic gun culture that says that displaying and threatening to use lethal machines is a reasonable way to deal with anger or adversity. That message makes the idea of killing someone seem almost ordinary.

That doesn’t prevent school shooters; it primes them.

 

[janice6]

7 hours ago, DAKA said:

From the NYT  as I would expect

GUEST ESSAY

Toxic Gun Culture Begins at Home

March 26, 2024, 5:01 a.m. ET

 

By Elizabeth Spiers

Ms. Spiers, a contributing Opinion writer, is a journalist and digital media strategist.

James and Jennifer Crumbley never anticipated that their then-15-year-old son, Ethan, would use the 9-millimeter Sig Sauer handgun Mr. Crumbley had bought — ostensibly as an early Christmas present — to kill four students at a Michigan high school. At least that’s the argument their lawyers made in court before Ms. Crumbley, last month, and Mr. Crumbley, almost two weeks ago, were convicted of involuntary manslaughter in separate trials. Prosecutors argued that the Crumbleys did not do enough to secure the gun and ignored warning signs that Ethan was planning to use it.

After every mass shooting by a teenager at a school, there is an instinct to look to the shooter’s parents to understand what went wrong. In the case of the Crumbleys, this seems obvious: Ethan left disturbing journal entries fantasizing about shooting up the school, and stating that he had asked his parents for help with his mental health issues but didn’t get it. His father said the family had a gun safe but the safe’s combination was the default factory setting, 0-0-0.

One factor that’s gotten less attention, however, is how the Crumbleys’ attitudes and actions reflect an increasingly insidious gun culture that treats guns as instruments of defiance and rebellion rather than as a means of last resort.

I’ve been thinking about this case a lot because I grew up in the 1980s and ’90s in a rural part of the Deep South where almost everyone I knew had guns in the house, unsecured, and mental illness was stigmatized and often went untreated. Church was considered a superior venue for counseling, and only “crazy” people sought professional help. If the evidence for criminal negligence is a failure to lock up a gun and ignoring signs of mental illness, many of the adults I grew up around would have been (and still would be) vulnerable to the same charges as the Crumbleys.

 

It’s convenient and comforting for many people to believe that if it had been their child, they’d have prevented this tragedy. But prison visiting rooms are full of good, diligent parents who never thought their kid would be capable of landing there.

My parents didn’t own a gun safe, but kept guns hidden away from us, which, like many gun owners at the time, they thought of as “secured.” The men in my family were all hunters and the guns they kept were hunting rifles, not AR-15s. (You can’t feed a family with deer meat that’s been blown to bits.) I knew my parents kept a handgun, too, but it was never shown to us, or treated as a shiny new toy.

 

Gun culture was different then. It would have never occurred to my parents to acquire an entire arsenal of guns and display them prominently around the house, as some people now do, or ludicrously suggest that Jesus Christ would have carried one. They did not, as more than a few Republican politicians have done, send out Christmas photos of their children posing with weapons designed explicitly to kill people at an age when those children likely still believed Santa existed. Open carry was legal, but if you were to walk into the local barbecue joint with a semiautomatic rifle on your back emblazoned with fake military insignia, people would think you were creepy and potentially dangerous, not an exemplar of masculinity and patriotism.

All of these things happen now with regularity, and they’re considered normal by gun owners who believe that any kind of control infringes on their Second Amendment rights. Children are introduced at a young age to guns like the Sig Sauer that Ethan Crumbley used. They’re taught to view guns as emblematic of freedom and the right to self-defense — two concepts that have been expanded to include whatever might justify unlimited accumulation of weapons.

“Freedom” is short for not being told what to do, even though the law very much dictates how and when guns should be used. “Self-defense” is often talked about as a justifiable precaution in the event of home invasion, though home invasions are as rare as four-leaf clovers and do not require an arsenal unless the invader is a small army. (It’s also worth noting that basic home security systems are far less expensive than many popular guns, which suggests that at the very least, some gun owners may be intentionally opting for the most violent potential scenario.) Most important, too many children are taught that guns confer power and can and should be used to intimidate other people. (Relatedly, any time I write about gun control, at least one gun owner emails to say he’d love to shoot me, which is not exactly evidence of responsible gun ownership.)

 

Mass shooters often begin with a grievance — toward certain populations, individuals they feel wronged by, society at large — and escalate their behavior from fantasizing about violence to planning actual attacks. A study from 2019 suggests that feeling inadequate may make gun owners more inclined toward violence. In the study, gun owners were given a task to perform and then told that they failed it. Later they were asked a number of questions, including whether they would be willing to kill someone who broke into their home, even if the intruder was leaving. “We found that the experience of failure increased participants’ view of guns as a means of empowerment,” wrote one researcher, “and enhanced their readiness to shoot and kill a home intruder.”

The study hypothesized that these gun owners “may be seeking a compensatory means to interact more effectively with their environment.”

Good parents model healthy interactions all the time. If their kids are struggling with a sense of inferiority or are having trouble dealing with failure, we teach them self-confidence and resilience. Parents who treat guns as a mechanism for feeling more significant and powerful are modeling an extremely dangerous way to interact with their environment.

What’s particularly hypocritical here is that the most strident defenders of this culture skew conservative and talk a lot about what isn’t appropriate for children and teenagers. What they think is inappropriate often includes educating kids about sex, about the fact that some people are gay or transsexual and about racism. It’s a perverse state of affairs: Exposing children to simple facts is dangerous, but exposing them to machines designed to kill is not. You can’t get your driver’s license until you’re a teenager, or buy cigarettes and alcohol until you’re 21, but much earlier than that, kids can, with adult supervision, legally learn how to end someone’s life.

Parents can’t ensure that their child won’t ever feel inferior or disempowered, or even in some cases become delusional or filled with rage. Teenagers do things that their parents would never anticipate every day, even if they’re close and communicative. Some develop serious drug habits or become radicalized into extremism or commit suicide.

 

One thing parents can ensure is that their children cannot get access to a gun in their house. The only foolproof way to do that is to ensure that there’s no gun in the house to begin with. Barring that, parents can make sure they are not reinforcing a toxic gun culture that says that displaying and threatening to use lethal machines is a reasonable way to deal with anger or adversity. That message makes the idea of killing someone seem almost ordinary.

That doesn’t prevent school shooters; it primes them.

 

How do you explain the previous generation that had a proliferation of gun available to children but did not have the mental violence of today?

Guns haven't changed.  People like you have changed and no longer want to enforce the existing laws equally.   You and your ilk also will shut your eyes to trending mental issues and always have the answer after the fact. 

Where are the parents of yesteryear that took responsibility for they children being good law abiding, mentally stable, adults with the ability to listen to someone they didn't agree with and turn around and walk away.

People like you feel they can solve other peoples problems until they become your problems, then you blame the system and others, not yourselves.

[minderasr]

The most violent thing any of my guns have done, was launch a spring at me when being disassembled for cleaning.

[El Spicoli]

Just now, minderasr said:

The most violent thing any of my guns have done, was launch a spring at me when being disassembled for cleaning.

The potential to lose an eye is too great, turn them in.

[El Spicoli]

16 hours ago, janice6 said:

How do you explain the previous generation that had a proliferation of gun available to children but did not have the mental violence of today?

Guns haven't changed.  People like you have changed and no longer want to enforce the existing laws equally.   You and your ilk also will shut your eyes to trending mental issues and always have the answer after the fact. 

Where are the parents of yesteryear that took responsibility for they children being good law abiding, mentally stable, adults with the ability to listen to someone they didn't agree with and turn around and walk away.

People like you feel they can solve other peoples problems until they become your problems, then you blame the system and others, not yourselves.

https://nypost.com/2024/03/24/us-news/texas-boys-ages-7-and-12-taken-into-custody-after-violent-stabbing-of-woman-officials/

They were discussing this yesterday and host and callers were saying "good thing they didn't have access to a gun"   yeah I am sure the woman feels a lot better too.  A neighbor was interviewed and actually blamed the stabbing on the woman since she has mental issues.  THAT is where we are in society.

Me, I am switching my edc to 45acp and loading more mags.