blueiron Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Positive control is everything. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie-pete Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) https://en.radiofarda.com/a/british-ambassador-detained-by-iran-security-forces-among-tehran-protesters/30372143.html They arrested the English Ambassador during the airliner riots and later released him. Wouldn't it be hilarious if the Iranians overthrow the Mullahs because of the shootdown and " they " blame Trump again for the regime change. Edited January 11, 2020 by willie-pete 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GT4494 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 It just shows that they were scared SHXTLess thinking they were going to wiped off the face of the desert. Unfortunately the nervous trigger killed many civilians. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, willie-pete said: https://en.radiofarda.com/a/british-ambassador-detained-by-iran-security-forces-among-tehran-protesters/30372143.html They arrested the English Ambassador during the airliner riots and later released him. Wouldn't it be hilarious if the Iranians overthrow the Mullahs because of the shootdown and " they " blame Trump again for the regime change. It does show that they know which side their Butter is on. Bluster isn't everything. But it helps to keep your own population distracted from hating the regime. Edited January 12, 2020 by janice6 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie-pete Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 https://en.radiofarda.com/a/iran-s-...onsibility-for-downing-airliner/30371719.html " Following Iran's admission it shot down a Ukrainian airliner, General Amir-Ali Hajizadeh, Commander of the Revolutionary Guard's Aerospace Force, has accepted "all responsibility" and said he wished he had died when he heard about his force's responsibility for the tragedy, official IRNA news agency reported. " I'm thinking the General may get his wish. " Hajizadeh said Iran's air defense was in the highest alert state and had been told that [American] cruise missiles had been fired. The operator of the system that fired the missile at the plane took it for a missile and due to overload or possible jamming of the communication system could not establish contact with the command center. "He had 10 seconds to decide to fire or not and unfortunately took the bad decision of firing and hit the plane," Hajizadeh added. " Gee, I wonder who could have been doing that ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 8 hours ago, willie-pete said: https://en.radiofarda.com/a/iran-s-...onsibility-for-downing-airliner/30371719.html " Following Iran's admission it shot down a Ukrainian airliner, General Amir-Ali Hajizadeh, Commander of the Revolutionary Guard's Aerospace Force, has accepted "all responsibility" and said he wished he had died when he heard about his force's responsibility for the tragedy, official IRNA news agency reported. " I'm thinking the General may get his wish. " Hajizadeh said Iran's air defense was in the highest alert state and had been told that [American] cruise missiles had been fired. The operator of the system that fired the missile at the plane took it for a missile and due to overload or possible jamming of the communication system could not establish contact with the command center. "He had 10 seconds to decide to fire or not and unfortunately took the bad decision of firing and hit the plane," Hajizadeh added. " Gee, I wonder who could have been doing that ? Make up whatever details you can, to squeeze even a little blame for someone else. When they said this, they are admitting quite a bit of information for their technology, lack of lower ranks discipline, and a fragile chain of command. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 On 1/9/2020 at 11:17 PM, tous said: Remember the 176 souls lost, and yes, the Iranian air defense system will be smoking holes in the ground just before the good stuff arrives. That would be the right time for Iranian defenders to be afraid. Very afraid. This incident remains just so sad for the crew and passengers of that aircraft. Some news reports indicate that that particular ADS ( SA-15? ) has an automatic mode and they don't need a finger to push the button. However, it is astonishing that anyone, regardless of how depraved, would park such a device near a commercial airport and I don't see the tactical purpose of such an automatic system. That's part of the reason we are at odds with the ME. Logic fails when you try to figure out their reasoning. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
railfancwb Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Read somewhere that the passenger airplane was delayed for over an hour. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tous Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 That shouldn't have made any difference. A commercial airliner emits like a fireworks show to ADS search and target systems. VHF/UHF radio, weather RADAR, a transponder -- not exactly the profile of a hostile aircraft, but exaclty the profile of an innocent one. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tous Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Another thought. Some reports hint that there may have been jamming going on and that confused the ADS operator. If the aircraft was only eight miles away from rotation, it was likely still within the range the the airport approach/departure RADAR and that may have affected the ADS systems, but again, there is a distinct difference between a commercial airport RADAR and hostile jamming. Any competent operator would know where they were and what was emitting around them and what jamming looks like. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, tous said: Another thought. Some reports hint that there may have been jamming going on and that confused the ADS operator. If the aircraft was only eight miles away from rotation, it was likely still within the range the the airport approach/departure RADAR and that may have affected the ADS systems, but again, there is a distinct difference between a commercial airport RADAR and hostile jamming. Any competent operator would know where they were and what was emitting around them and what jamming looks like. “Competent” being the operative word there . 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tadbart Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Anybody else think the Iranians should recruit ol' Tous to run their air defenses? For someone who knows what they're doing, the accommodations suck, but I bet the paycheck is pretty impressive. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, tadbart said: Anybody else think the Iranians should recruit ol' Tous to run their air defenses? For someone who knows what they're doing, the accommodations suck, but I bet the paycheck is pretty impressive. You better run to the bank with that check. before the bank and regime is gone! Edited January 14, 2020 by janice6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tadbart Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I have it on good authority that they have liquid cash. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 3 hours ago, tadbart said: I have it on good authority that they have liquid cash. They may have to reconsider that. Today's news is that the government shot some citizens protesting in the streets against the Iran government shooting down an Iranian commercial flight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie-pete Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) Too bad we couldn't airdrop crates of GM Liberator pistols over there to help them out a bit. Edited January 14, 2020 by willie-pete 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie-pete Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 CBS News tonight had video of two different missiles hitting the 737 30 seconds apart. It still flew for a while after the second hit. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/14/world/iran-plane-crash-video.html " Neither strike downed the plane immediately. The new video shows the airliner on fire, circling back toward Tehran’s international airport. " Boeing evidently knows how to build them, even if they don't know how to program them. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huaco Kid Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 America shot it down. We thought it was a deer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 13 minutes ago, Huaco Kid said: America shot it down. We thought it was a deer. Seriously. It was a weather balloon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 22 hours ago, willie-pete said: Too bad we couldn't airdrop crates of GM Liberator pistols over there to help them out a bit. They,...will have their time. There's only so long the system can withstand oppression. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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