SC Tiger Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 "Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot." - Maybe. Also from CNN: https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/iran-plane-crash-investigation/h_b5bcdf6b67af8819b2697feabc070d67 Not verified by anyone else yet AFAIK. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPQer Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Trudeau is not going to be happy with this at all. He's going to need an extra time out in his safe space. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie-pete Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) You can run, but you can't hide a missile heat bloom from the satellites. Three of those heat blooms at once caused me to insert launch keys in preparation for a launch one night. <======== Edited January 9, 2020 by willie-pete 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 hours ago, PPQer said: Trudeau is not going to be happy with this at all. He's going to need an extra time out in his safe space. He may need to hide behind a darker face. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 hours ago, willie-pete said: You can run, but you can't hide a missile heat bloom from the satellites. Three of those heat blooms at once caused me to insert launch keys in preparation for a launch one night. <======== Discipline in the US Military is amazing. In may other countries it's almost non-existent. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tadbart Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 So the question is, will the ayatollah say "we done fcked up" and they'll behave for a while? And how does that work? does Iran pay for a new 737-800 and reparations to the families? Good thing they got a pallet of cash lying around. Does the Ukraine send a couple missiles into Iran in retaliation? We live in interesting times... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie-pete Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, tadbart said: So the question is, will the ayatollah say "we done fcked up" and they'll behave for a while? And how does that work? does Iran pay for a new 737-800 and reparations to the families? Good thing they got a pallet of cash lying around. Does the Ukraine send a couple missiles into Iran in retaliation? We live in interesting times... The US Supreme Court finally ruled for the families of Pan Am 103 that they could sue Iran and get reparations from the stack of cash that we had impounded from them. Unfortunately for them, by then, Obama had given them that pallet of cash back and they had no assets in the US to go after. Bummer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, willie-pete said: The US Supreme Court finally ruled for the families of Pan Am 103 that they could sue Iran and get reparations from the stack of cash that we had impounded from them. Unfortunately for them, by then, Obama had given them that pallet of cash back and they had no assets in the US to go after. Bummer Extraordinary timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minervadoe Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 O'Bummer was a lawyer, a liar, and a socialist; probably the least of all his sins. But, still big sins. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tadbart Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 That's immoral and HAS to be criminal. How is he walking around with USSS protection, and not in a jail somewhere? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 hours ago, tadbart said: That's immoral and HAS to be criminal. How is he walking around with USSS protection, and not in a jail somewhere? You mean Obama or all our Democrat politicians and most Repub pols too! Politics is a breeding grounds for the worst of our criminals. Those who swore to hold to Constitutional values, yet see money and power as their only goal! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tadbart Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 I was speaking specifically about Obama, but you're right- as a group, they're the worst of our worst. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 hours ago, tadbart said: I was speaking specifically about Obama, but you're right- as a group, they're the worst of our worst. I know you knew. I just had to group our criminal elite together. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 hours ago, PPQer said: Trudeau is not going to be happy with this at all. He's going to need an extra time out in his safe space. He’s growing a beard now. wants to look more like his father, Fidel https://nyulocal.com/new-world-university-justin-trudeau-is-fidel-castros-son-bccf01403a86 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bish1309 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 3 hours ago, tadbart said: I was speaking specifically about Obama, but you're right- as a group, they're the worst of our worst. You just wait. We'll get him, his husband and their foster kids, too. We have global warming coming. His property could be under water or complete ocean front soon. That'll show him! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tous Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 4 hours ago, tadbart said: So the question is, will the ayatollah say "we done fcked up" and they'll behave for a while? And how does that work? does Iran pay for a new 737-800 and reparations to the families? Good thing they got a pallet of cash lying around. Does the Ukraine send a couple missiles into Iran in retaliation? We live in interesting times... Much of this makes no sense from a tactical perspective. If Iran had an air defense system around a commercial airport, why did they think that that would be a target for a US strike? Did they imagine that blowing up a few Airbus aircraft was higher in priority than military barracks, air defense sites or weapon manufacturing sites? Perhaps there was some thing of military value hidden at the commercial airport, but why would an opposing force engage an airliner climbing out rather than make the good stuff smoking holes in the ground? I reiterate a previous opinion that a huge RADAR return going a blistering 200 knots, flying a straight, level heading away from an airport, is probably not a cruise missile. Or a moccasin. I know we josh a lot, but 176, likely completely innocent souls have been lost. Condolences to their families. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenoF250 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, tous said: Much of this makes no sense from a tactical perspective. If Iran had an air defense system around a commercial airport, why did they think that that would be a target for a US strike? Did they imagine that blowing up a few Airbus aircraft was higher in priority than military barracks, air defense sites or weapon manufacturing sites? Perhaps there was some thing of military value hidden at the commercial airport, but why would an opposing force engage an airliner climbing out rather than make the good stuff smoking holes in the ground? I reiterate a previous opinion that a huge RADAR return going a blistering 200 knots, flying a straight, level heading away from an airport, is probably not a cruise missile. Or a moccasin. I know we josh a lot, but 176, likely completely innocent souls have been lost. Condolences to their families. I really have to wonder what an innocent person is doing on a plane flying out of Iran. Even if they are innocent, they are probably not wise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tadbart Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, tous said: Much of this makes no sense from a tactical perspective. If Iran had an air defense system around a commercial airport, why did they think that that would be a target for a US strike? Did they imagine that blowing up a few Airbus aircraft was higher in priority than military barracks, air defense sites or weapon manufacturing sites? Perhaps there was some thing of military value hidden at the commercial airport, but why would an opposing force engage an airliner climbing out rather than make the good stuff smoking holes in the ground? I reiterate a previous opinion that a huge RADAR return going a blistering 200 knots, flying a straight, level heading away from an airport, is probably not a cruise missile. Or a moccasin. I know we josh a lot, but 176, likely completely innocent souls have been lost. Condolences to their families. These two statements are a testament to a lack of training, a lack of regard for human life, and everything I'd expect from the Iranian military. There's a picture floating around on the internet of what sure looks like the nose of a Tor antiaircraft missile near the crash site, and a short video of what could be a rocket hitting a jet, from the perspective of a cop's body cam. Sure looks like Iran shot that plane down, either due to fear or error, and then tried to buy time by not allowing access to the FDRs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 34 minutes ago, tous said: Much of this makes no sense from a tactical perspective. If Iran had an air defense system around a commercial airport, why did they think that that would be a target for a US strike? Did they imagine that blowing up a few Airbus aircraft was higher in priority than military barracks, air defense sites or weapon manufacturing sites? Perhaps there was some thing of military value hidden at the commercial airport, but why would an opposing force engage an airliner climbing out rather than make the good stuff smoking holes in the ground? I reiterate a previous opinion that a huge RADAR return going a blistering 200 knots, flying a straight, level heading away from an airport, is probably not a cruise missile. Or a moccasin. I know we josh a lot, but 176, likely completely innocent souls have been lost. Condolences to their families. I think they watched Hannity and thought the B-52’s from Diego Garcia were inbound but you're right, 176 people died who shouldn’t have. until the conspiracy that the plane was empty and we shot it down to blame Iran. Or they were onboard but already dead so they could recover bodies. Soleimani ring was on the wrong finger..... ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tous Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 44 minutes ago, RenoF250 said: I really have to wonder what an innocent person is doing on a plane flying out of Iran. Even if they are innocent, they are probably not wise. Just because we are in conflict with Iran doesn't mean that the rest of the world is. Though not my first choice for a tourist destination, others may have legitimate reasons to be there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie-pete Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 I think it was a simple case of a bunch of SAM operators amped up waiting for a supposed raid by American planes 3 hours after the missile launches. The supposedly had a list of traffic and times leaving/arriving the airport, but this particular fight was running an hour late. Expecting to see a swarm of F-35's roll in on them and a radar blip where there should not have been one gave the not unexpected outcome. Stranger things have happened; Vincennes and MH 17 for instance. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 hours ago, willie-pete said: I think it was a simple case of a bunch of SAM operators amped up waiting for a supposed raid by American planes 3 hours after the missile launches. The supposedly had a list of traffic and times leaving/arriving the airport, but this particular fight was running an hour late. Expecting to see a swarm of F-35's roll in on them and a radar blip where there should not have been one gave the not unexpected outcome. Stranger things have happened; Vincennes and MH 17 for instance. For the Vincennes/MH17, the initial belief was that it was a military A/C, since they shared the airport. Later the thought the military aircraft was taking off behind the commercial, and using it for radar cover. Quick decisions needed due to short distances. It could have been the same problem in both cases. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie-pete Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 17 minutes ago, janice6 said: For the Vincennes/MH17, the initial belief was that it was a military A/C, since they shared the airport. Later the thought the military aircraft was taking off behind the commercial, and using it for radar cover. Quick decisions needed due to short distances. It could have been the same problem in both cases. Well, when someone thinks they are about to get smoked; sometimes they make the wrong decisions. Happens in ever war I expect. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borg warner Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) Flight PS752 was en route to Ukraine. I bet Joe Biden is happy that his son, Hunter, was not aboard. Edited January 10, 2020 by Borg warner 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Borg warner said: Flight PS752 was en route to Ukraine. I bet Joe Biden is happy that his son, Hunter, was not aboard. That's why the Democrats are bitching that Trump didn't warn them before cancelling those Iranian's stamps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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