Silentpoet Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 https://www.ky3.com/content/news/Lightning-strike-destroys-toilet-after-methane-gas-ignites-523561341.html Do I even have to mention the state for you to know where this happened? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwalchmai Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Rectum? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silentpoet Posted August 7, 2019 Author Share Posted August 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, gwalchmai said: Rectum? Dang near killed him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 59 minutes ago, Silentpoet said: https://www.ky3.com/content/news/Lightning-strike-destroys-toilet-after-methane-gas-ignites-523561341.html Do I even have to mention the state for you to know where this happened? I'm curious how a sealed septic tank could not be a saturated Methane environment, unable to support instantaneous combustion. There isn't enough oxygen to support a human and many people have died working septic tanks for this reason. If this is a very real possibility, why don't we have reports of septic tanks exploding in the news. I would believe that since the tank contained water (albeit, in a "slurry"), that a lightning bolt would instantaneously cause a burst of steam, producing a steam explosion that propagated through the sewer pipe to the toilet. Steam expansion is very impressive. Ask any Boilerman what it could mean. Steam explosion are very impressive and may appear to be an chemical explosion. I watched an Oak tree across the intersection get blown apart by a lightning stroke, that instantaneously vaporize the sap in the tree. It was an impressive explosion that turned the tree into kindling wood. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silentpoet Posted August 7, 2019 Author Share Posted August 7, 2019 17 minutes ago, janice6 said: I'm curious how a sealed septic tank could not be a saturated Methane environment, unable to support instantaneous combustion. There isn't enough oxygen to support a human and many people have died working septic tanks for this reason. If this is a very real possibility, why don't we have reports of septic tanks exploding in the news. I would believe that since the tank contained water (albeit, in a "slurry"), that a lightning bolt would instantaneously cause a burst of steam, producing a steam explosion that propagated through the sewer pipe to the toilet. Steam expansion is very impressive. Ask any Boilerman what it could mean. Steam explosion are very impressive and may appear to be an chemical explosion. I watched an Oak tree across the intersection get blown apart by a lightning stroke, that instantaneously vaporize the sap in the tree. It was an impressive explosion that turned the tree into kindling wood. Does that assume it was properly sealed at all points? It's been a while since I looked up the details of methane production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Silentpoet said: Does that assume it was properly sealed at all points? It's been a while since I looked up the details of methane production. From the design of the septic tanks I know of, it appears that they are vented to ensure no pressure build up, but not enough to release objectionable gases into the vicinity. Think of it as an automobile gas tank. This is a saturated atmosphere also and without adequate oxygen, it's hard to have an explosion. That's why most car tank explosion occur during fueling or rupture of the tank. Edited August 7, 2019 by janice6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwalchmai Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 If it was methane would there be burn marks? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silentpoet Posted August 7, 2019 Author Share Posted August 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, gwalchmai said: If it was methane would there be burn marks? Uh, the water put out the fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holyjohnson Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 38 minutes ago, janice6 said: I'm curious how a sealed septic tank could not be a saturated Methane environment, unable to support instantaneous combustion. There isn't enough oxygen to support a human and many people have died working septic tanks for this reason. If this is a very real possibility, why don't we have reports of septic tanks exploding in the news. I would believe that since the tank contained water (albeit, in a "slurry"), that a lightning bolt would instantaneously cause a burst of steam, producing a steam explosion that propagated through the sewer pipe to the toilet. Steam expansion is very impressive. Ask any Boilerman what it could mean. Steam explosion are very impressive and may appear to be an chemical explosion. I watched an Oak tree across the intersection get blown apart by a lightning stroke, that instantaneously vaporize the sap in the tree. It was an impressive explosion that turned the tree into kindling wood. your way,way too smart for Florida. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwalchmai Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, Silentpoet said: Uh, the water put out the fire. Yeah, there wouldn't be a fire, but would there be scorch marks if the explosion was caused by combustion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 16 minutes ago, holyjohnson said: your way,way too smart for Florida. Is that what is referred to as a backhanded compliment...………. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tous Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 31 minutes ago, gwalchmai said: Yeah, there wouldn't be a fire, but would there be scorch marks if the explosion was caused by combustion? We geeks tend to not use the term combustion, but oxidation because as 6 of janice explained so well, kersplosions, like fire, require oxygen. A difference is the rate of oxidation. Fires tend to oxidize slowly compared to kersplosions. Consider also that just putting a bunch of methane and a dollop of oxygen together does not a kersplsion make. Yes, they are both ready to rumble, but they need a catalyst, some outside element that tells them, Go! Like lightning. I will now go back to my nerd room and page through a CRC publication. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 2 hours ago, gwalchmai said: If it was methane would there be burn marks? I would expect with a very rich concentration of gas in the tank that it would produce much soot at the tank, maybe not at the toilet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 7 hours ago, gwalchmai said: If it was methane would there be burn marks? Oh it left marks. Brown marks. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwalchmai Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 6 hours ago, janice6 said: I would expect with a very rich concentration of gas in the tank that it would produce much soot at the tank, maybe not at the toilet. 7 hours ago, tous said: We geeks tend to not use the term combustion, but oxidation because as 6 of janice explained so well, kersplosions, like fire, require oxygen. A difference is the rate of oxidation. Fires tend to oxidize slowly compared to kersplosions. Consider also that just putting a bunch of methane and a dollop of oxygen together does not a kersplsion make. Yes, they are both ready to rumble, but they need a catalyst, some outside element that tells them, Go! Like lightning. I will now go back to my nerd room and page through a CRC publication. If only there were some commonly accessible method by which we could burn methane and test these theories. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 |"Honey when you said you were going to blow up the toilet....i didn't expect this.," said the wife. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfost11 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Well, ain't that some ****? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 On 8/7/2019 at 6:11 AM, gwalchmai said: If only there were some commonly accessible method by which we could burn methane and test these theories. Ask old burned butt how. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huaco Kid Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 I can do that, without any flames, after eating at a Japanese restaurant. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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