pipedreams Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 Wonder how this will end up after all the lawsuits. There are estimated to be between 10 and 40 million of such braces in use. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives released a new rule on pistol-stabilizing braces that will effectively ban millions of rifles and has Second Amendment supporters up in arms. The ATF had previously ruled that pistol braces were legal, but a new rule was sought by President Joe Biden as part of his promise to reform gun laws. The 296-page document outlines several options that gun owners with stabilizing braces have to avoid prosecution. https://www.theblaze.com/news/atf-braces-ban-rule-biden https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2023/01/13/atf-final-rule-stabilizer-brace-owners-have-120-days-register-them/ https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-lawmakers-nra-slam-atf-rule-regulate-pistol-braces-unconstitutional-overreach "“Any weapons with 'stabilizing braces' or similar attachments that constitute rifles under the NFA must be registered no later than 120 days after date of publication in the Federal Register," read the rule, "or the short barrel removed and a 16-inch or longer rifle barrel attached to the firearm; or permanently remove and dispose of, or alter, the 'stabilizing brace' such that it cannot be reattached; or the firearm is turned in to your local ATF office. Or the firearm is destroyed.”" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipedreams Posted January 14, 2023 Author Share Posted January 14, 2023 While we are waiting for all the criminals to take this action and all the gang member thugs to turn in there guns how about all of us law bidding citizens go have a drink I am sure we will be drunk before those people take the action of handing over there guns. This will be stayed by A FEDERAL JUDGE WITHIN DAYS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipedreams Posted January 14, 2023 Author Share Posted January 14, 2023 I though UK outlawed guns years ago. What happened? https://www.rt.com/news/569884-london-funeral-shooting-injures-four/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geeorge Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 If I wanted a stock I would buy a rifle 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
railfancwb Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 On 1/15/2023 at 12:30 AM, geeorge said: If I wanted a stock I would buy a rifle So… Others clearly feel differently. Do you want to force your preferences on them? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geeorge Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 10 hours ago, railfancwb said: So… Others clearly feel differently. Do you want to force your preferences on them? I would just tell them to learn to shoot a pistol like a man with out a stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipedreams Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, geeorge said: I would just tell them to learn to shoot a pistol like a man with out a stock Just a guess but anyone with AR pistol with or without a brace, most likely owns several firearms and proficient with all of them. Not many newbies buying their first gun likely to make that sort of purchase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geeorge Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, pipedreams said: Just a guess but anyone with AR pistol with or without a brace, most likely owns several firearms and proficient with all of them. Not many newbies buying their first gun likely to make that sort of purchase. Pistol braces are for people with little to no upper body strength IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Spicoli Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 On 1/15/2023 at 12:30 AM, geeorge said: If I wanted a stock I would buy a rifle Well the problem with that is IF you want a shorter barrel than what the govt. Tells you you can have, you have to ask permission and pay a tax. We all know the brace thing was a work around and it worked very well actually. A 300blk AR pistol with or without a suppressor is a pretty good truck or urban "rifle" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syntaxerrorsix Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 13 hours ago, geeorge said: Pistol braces are for people with little to no upper body strength IMO Then you don't understand why people buy them. Besides that, it requires MORE upper body strength to use them as actually intended, not less. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geeorge Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 6 hours ago, syntaxerrorsix said: Then you don't understand why people buy them. Besides that, it requires MORE upper body strength to use them as actually intended, not less. I know exactly why they are weak and can't keep the gun on target with out a stock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syntaxerrorsix Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, geeorge said: I know exactly why they are weak and can't keep the gun on target with out a stock Uh..ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geeorge Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 1 minute ago, syntaxerrorsix said: Uh..ok. By that I am taking it as you are one of those low upper body strength people who need the braces to have any accuracy at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar_ml Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Considering how the ATF is losing in court due to their arbitrary changing of definitions with bump stocks, this new arbitrary definition change with pistol braces is likely to end up the same way in court. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syntaxerrorsix Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, geeorge said: By that I am taking it as you are one of those low upper body strength people who need the braces to have any accuracy at all I really haven't figured out what you think you are rambling on about. I can still pass the Army PT test for the 17-21 year old age rate and lift weights daily. So no.... You'd be completely mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geeorge Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 28 minutes ago, syntaxerrorsix said: I really haven't figured out what you think you are rambling on about. I can still pass the Army PT test for the 17-21 year old age rate and lift weights daily. So no.... You'd be completely mistaken. Yeah right skippy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syntaxerrorsix Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 18 minutes ago, geeorge said: Yeah right skippy Yes, quite right. I'm not a sloppy, unfit old man. My profile pic is from a 14 mile day hike to the enchanted valley in WA. Think you can keep up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geeorge Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 1 minute ago, syntaxerrorsix said: Yes, quite right. I'm not a sloppy, unfit old man. My profile pic is from a 14 mile day hike to the enchanted valley in WA. Think you can keep up? Yeah right, cool story Bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syntaxerrorsix Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, geeorge said: Yeah right, cool story Bro Feel free to post up a photo of yourself. That we can can see who the fatboy is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar_ml Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 ok children, knock it off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geeorge Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 53 minutes ago, syntaxerrorsix said: Feel free to post up a photo of yourself. That we can can see who the fatboy is. After you post a picture of your self holding a dollar bill and todays newspaper. And again Cool Story Bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syntaxerrorsix Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 1 minute ago, geeorge said: After you post a picture of your self holding a dollar bill and todays newspaper. And again Cool Story Bro A newspaper? Yeah you're old. It's ok I knew you didn't want to embarrass yourself like that. Soft... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipedreams Posted January 24, 2023 Author Share Posted January 24, 2023 There are a lot of different styles of braces, any preferences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipedreams Posted January 24, 2023 Author Share Posted January 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Cougar_ml said: Considering how the ATF is losing in court due to their arbitrary changing of definitions with bump stocks, this new arbitrary definition change with pistol braces is likely to end up the same way in court. The lawsuit of the Second Amendment Foundation vs ATF filed in the northern district of Texas is a lawsuit to challenge the ATF’s gross overreach into the world of pistol braces. Both parties have requested to meet and file a joint status report on February 27th, 2023. So even though they have indicated that it is going to drop in January, they are not even having another joint status report until the end of February. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geeorge Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 32 minutes ago, syntaxerrorsix said: A newspaper? Yeah you're old. It's ok I knew you didn't want to embarrass yourself like that. Soft... then use one of your frailty med bottles with a date on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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