Listening to a Covid survivor. Damn

[Historian]

5 minutes ago, RenoF250 said:

I think they should take some of this money they are pissing away on ventilators and converting hospital garages to actually investigate why some die from a virus that others barely experience.  Seems we have very little knowledge in that area.  Think of what $1T could have done for immune system study instead of just pissing it away like this.

 

Not a bad idea.  How about we start with the millions we pay the Chinese to do just that...since they can't control their labs.  There are plenty of ways to rearrange that money.  

A friend of mine is fighting with the local university he worked for because he made a ventilator that actually works for under $100 in parts from Home Depot on a Saturday.  Between the university, the lawyers, and the feds...he's getting nothing but run around on a product that actually works.  In fact it works well enough the design crew for the programming (in india) are now looking to produce something similar in India.

The other side of that is all the state level people who gave up on funding their liabilities and expect the feds to pick it up?  There needs to be an end to that crap.

[RenoF250]

1 minute ago, Historian said:

Not a bad idea.  How about we start with the millions we pay the Chinese to do just that...since they can't control their labs.  There are plenty of ways to rearrange that money.  

A friend of mine is fighting with the local university he worked for because he made a ventilator that actually works for under $100 in parts from Home Depot on a Saturday.  Between the university, the lawyers, and the feds...he's getting nothing but run around on a product that actually works.  In fact it works well enough the design crew for the programming (in india) are now looking to produce something similar in India.

The other side of that is all the state level people who gave up on funding their liabilities and expect the feds to pick it up?  There needs to be an end to that crap.

We are going to be swimming in ventilators.  There is a company in Sacramento making one for $120 with Xerox, they are supposed to have 1M by June.  Another company here in Reno is getting $550M for 14k ventilators.

They are going into a warehouse and then the dump.  They have not used all they have and demand is decreasing. 

[Historian]

2 minutes ago, RenoF250 said:

We are going to be swimming in ventilators.  There is a company in Sacramento making one for $120 with Xerox, they are supposed to have 1M by June.  Another company here in Reno is getting $550M for 14k ventilators.

They are going into a warehouse and then the dump.  They have not used all they have and demand is decreasing. 

Stock'em and sell'em.  Other countries are going to need them. 

The government loves the idea of throwing money at things.  

Except my pay check. There are only to reasons to work for my county.  One is to get rich. The other is to die.  At this rate note of us are getting very rich.

 

[njl]

Is that different that anything else?  Flu obviously kills some and not others.  Seems it is just the way it goes.

AFAIK, people don’t walk around contagious with flu, not realizing they have it. At least not for long.

[LostinTexas]

On 4/23/2020 at 10:39 AM, Walt Longmire said:

Interview on local radio with a guy that was diagnosed on Feb 25th. His fiancé also tested positive. 2 months later he still isn't fully recovered. One surprise I heard was that he ended up with eye problems afterwards. There were days he wanted to die. She has kidney damage. This is the second interview like this I have heard. You DO NOT want to get this. 

Sensationalism sells subscriptions and promotes the fear and agenda.

[LostinTexas]

2 hours ago, njl said:

AFAIK, people don’t walk around contagious with flu, not realizing they have it. At least not for long.

Flu is contagious for several days before onset of symptoms. The 14+ days of the COVID is very suspicious. But,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the experts have been so right on everything so far,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[LostinTexas]

On 4/24/2020 at 4:55 PM, tadbart said:

Get better, man. This thing ain't no joke. I have a friend with it. She went to NYC to work with covid patients. Caught it. Spent a week in the hospital with O2 levels in the low 70s. They discharged here when her O2 sat got to 86% (normal is 95-100%). She's home, says she has never felt this bad in her entire life. I'm pretty worried about her- she's a no-bull ER nurse who was in perfect health a month ago.This disease does not fight fair.

Not calling you out and the malpractice I hear coming out of NYC is EPIC, but I find those numbers VERY suspect. People tell you all kinds of things.

Having bee the person taking care of breathing problems and on the end of being taken care of.

[Historian]

45 minutes ago, LostinTexas said:

Sensationalism sells subscriptions and promotes the fear and agenda.

If it bleeds it leads.

 

[njl]

Flu is contagious for several days before onset of symptoms. The 14+ days of the COVID is very suspicious. But,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the experts have been so right on everything so far,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

It’ll be interesting to see (when reliable antibody testing is generally available) if the rest of my family had it and was asymptotic or if I somehow didn’t infect them. As contagious as this supposedly is, it’s hard to believe I didn’t expose them all to it before I knew I was sick.

[Historian]

 

51 minutes ago, LostinTexas said:

Flu is contagious for several days before onset of symptoms. The 14+ days of the COVID is very suspicious. But,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the experts have been so right on everything so far,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

That's part of the problem:  I don't think there are any true experts.  

The only expert i can think of is the virus itself.

Edited April 27, 2020 by Historian

[njl]

Not calling you out and the malpractice I hear coming out of NYC is EPIC, but I find those numbers VERY suspect. People tell you all kinds of things.
Having bee the person taking care of breathing problems and on the end of being taken care of.

Like the local hospital ER telling me my chest X-ray was clear, you’re not that sick, go home, when the radiology report says pleural effusion and pneumonia?

[Walt Longmire]

6 hours ago, RenoF250 said:

We are going to be swimming in ventilators.  There is a company in Sacramento making one for $120 with Xerox, they are supposed to have 1M by June.  Another company here in Reno is getting $550M for 14k ventilators.

They are going into a warehouse and then the dump.  They have not used all they have and demand is decreasing. 

If you get put on a ventilator, your chances aren't good. It comes down to the red blood cells not carrying the oxygen as efficient as normal. The lack of oxygen fucks your organs up. I do NOT want to get this. Some have minor, or almost no symptoms. Others end up on deaths door, and could likely take a dirt nap quickly with the next scourge coming either when we open back up, or next fall.

[Walt Longmire]

**** that ****. Keep up on your vitamins/supplements. Get out in the sun. Exercise. Eat good. And it goes without saying.....wash your mofo hands.

[Historian]

10 minutes ago, Walt Longmire said:

**** that ****. Keep up on your vitamins/supplements. Get out in the sun. Exercise. Eat good. And it goes without saying.....wash your mofo hands.

Picked blue berries for four hours. My hands were blue.

Never felt better with the sun on my back.

[LostinTexas]

1 hour ago, njl said:

Like the local hospital ER telling me my chest X-ray was clear, you’re not that sick, go home, when the radiology report says pleural effusion and pneumonia?

I'm going to venture with "Yep".

Not sure which part you are referring to though. I'm pretty sure you were no where near the O2 levels in the 80's or lower. Not may function well with that unless they have a chronic repository type disease, and even then it is rare and they aren't "functioning" that well.

The good part? You didn't die.

Edited April 27, 2020 by LostinTexas

[janice6]

1 hour ago, njl said:

Like the local hospital ER telling me my chest X-ray was clear, you’re not that sick, go home, when the radiology report says pleural effusion and pneumonia?

What they see depends on who looks at it.  Remember, Doctors also have a spread in their med school performance.

[Walt Longmire]

1 hour ago, janice6 said:

What they see depends on who looks at it.  Remember, Doctors also have a spread in their med school performance.

Somebody was bottom of their class

[RenoF250]

12 hours ago, janice6 said:

What they see depends on who looks at it.  Remember, Doctors also have a spread in their med school performance.

 

In my experience the spread is MUCH worse than most would like to think.  My wife has spent a lot of time in the hospital and many surgeries.  She had one surgery done 3 times.  First guy was just wandering around in there and couldn't find anything but left her with overnight recovery in the hospital, 2nd - a specialist in this surgery that we had to travel across the country for also did not find anything but she was out same day and we went to an amusement park that day.  No significant recovery.  3rd - Mayo Clinic - found the problem with all three methods available that the other two used and saw nothing.  They did the surgery removed it.  There was a bit of a recovery but I think she was out same day.  The specialist had claimed there was no finding it and she was stuck with the problem.

 

Aside from that I have had multiple doctors give conflicting advice and when I question them they ask like I was just googling or something.  Uh, no, another doctor told me that.  Not surprisingly I find the better docs do not get frustrated by questions.  I have had them try multiple prescriptions now based on my questions/request.

Edited April 27, 2020 by RenoF250

[tadbart]

16 hours ago, LostinTexas said:

Not calling you out and the malpractice I hear coming out of NYC is EPIC, but I find those numbers VERY suspect. People tell you all kinds of things.

Having bee the person taking care of breathing problems and on the end of being taken care of.

Well, she's an ER Nurse that went up there to help. In the 5 years I've known her, she's never given me the impression that she is untruthful, incompetent, or misleading.

[janice6]

49 minutes ago, RenoF250 said:

 

In my experience the spread is MUCH worse than most would like to think.  My wife has spent a lot of time in the hospital and many surgeries.  She had one surgery done 3 times.  First guy was just wandering around in there and couldn't find anything but left her with overnight recovery in the hospital, 2nd - a specialist in this surgery that we had to travel across the country for also did not find anything but she was out same day and we went to an amusement park that day.  No significant recovery.  3rd - Mayo Clinic - found the problem with all three methods available that the other two used and saw nothing.  They did the surgery removed it.  There was a bit of a recovery but I think she was out same day.  The specialist had claimed there was no finding it and she was stuck with the problem.

 

Aside from that I have had multiple doctors give conflicting advice and when I question them they ask like I was just googling or something.  Uh, no, another doctor told me that.  Not surprisingly I find the better docs do not get frustrated by questions.  I have had them try multiple prescriptions now based on my questions/request.

I was diagnosed with  a stomach tumor that had perforated my stomach.  With the significant internal bleeding necessitating an emergency blood transfusion. 

I was told that they didn't know if it was Malignant or not, but my insurance company made me wait for 10 days to approve the surgery.  No one could tell me if I might live or die, depending on the outcome of the surgery.

My clinic had their "prime chest cutter" do the surgery on me.  I woke up the next morning with the surgeon asking me how I was.  I told him I felt fine.  He said during the surgery he had to check down my Intestines to ensure no other tumors were present.  My insurance wouldn't cover that part of the procedure.

Then he pulled up a staple remover and started to pull one of my surgical staples out.  I told him not to because it was an obvious stress point in my abdomen and it would split open.  He did it anyway.  They said I could go home as soon as I could walk the hallway to the end and back.  I did, I watched the sweat run down my chest into the open incision.

I went home as soon as possible.  The incision started to split open and I had an infection in the open part of the incision.  I started pouring pus out like a machine.  I stunk like I was rotten, and the rest of the incision started to split open.  Pretty soon I had about 4 inches of incision split open about an inch wide, and I was using chest compresses to soak up all the pus.  I had to change them every few hours.

Office visit, and the chest surgeon showed me how to use three Q-Tips to scrape down into the bottom of the wound to scoop the puss out.  I went almost 3/4 inches deep.  This is not a good experience.

I got much worse, and finally was sure that if I wanted to survive, I had to take steps of my own.  So I called the clinic and talked to the primary Doctor.  I told him I was so infected that I couldn't keep up with the pus draining, and I was going to flush my incision with Hydrogen Peroxide.  I said you don't have the option to tell me no.  But is there any reason I shouldn't do this.  He said no.

I flushed the open wound and went back to chest compresses.  The infection quickly went away.  But my abdomen still was an large open wound.  I went back to the clinic and talked with the primary Doctor.  It seems that his Chest Cutter was a new graduate, top of his class, but didn't believe in antibiotics.

After the wound closed over with a 1 inch wide ugly scar, I developed three abdominal hernias from the infection in my chest.  I told the clinic that they were going to fix them, and they better not have the same surgeon touch me or come near me.

They repaired two of the hernias by inserting a mesh in a second surgery, and claimed that the third wouldn't be a problem.  Now much later I have a bad hernia in my chest.  The original surgeon left the clinic and was in some backwoods militant group in the North West.

I have had nothing good come from being operated on by a "top of his class surgeon", and many years later I still have problems from it.

I have little faith in the "best medical persons" as a result of this and I found out that I was the only one I could really rely on.  Just a few months ago I was in the office with our family doctor and I had to tell him that he was the only doctor that had ever really helped me without making things worse.

I'm no genius but I have found that you had better check up on what the doctors were doing to you if only to confirm they weren't making things worse.  I had spent 40 years of my life researching new Physics concepts and determining if they were a viable solution to Military tactical aircraft problems.  Researching anything is the same procedure, along with knowing how to find viability in the concept.

I had a specialist in Knee replacement tell me he wouldn't operate on me because of severe water retention in my legs.  My family doctor had to prescribe diuretics to eliminate the water retention.  This had me puzzled because it suddenly appeared in a matter of days, not over time.  I researched this since it seemed unusual.

Next visit to him he asked what diuretics my doctor had me on, and I told him none.  I went home a searched the Journal of Applied Medicine for papers about sudden water retention, and found the it would occur in 12 to 14% of the people taking Ibuprofen for pain.  I quit taking Ibuprofen and the water retention went away in a day or two.  He said he never heard of that.

Look out for your self, few others will!  My family doctor will listen to me and discuss options and appears to accept my input.  Now I'm hesitant to go into surgery for my knees after the 30 years of accompanying crap my only other experience gave me.

[janice6]

3 minutes ago, tadbart said:

Well, she's an ER Nurse that went up there to help. In the 5 years I've known her, she's never given me the impression that she is untruthful, incompetent, or misleading.

The workers can be knowledgeable and experienced, but rarely do they make the controlling decisions.  The people that decide the overall procedures are the problem, and many times they are more bureaucrats than specialists.  How many times have you voiced your concerns about a situation and then had management tell you "you don't understand the political issues associated with this problem".

[RenoF250]

1 hour ago, janice6 said:

I was diagnosed with  a stomach tumor that had perforated my stomach.  With the significant internal bleeding necessitating an emergency blood transfusion. 

I was told that they didn't know if it was Malignant or not, but my insurance company made me wait for 10 days to approve the surgery.  No one could tell me if I might live or die, depending on the outcome of the surgery.

My clinic had their "prime chest cutter" do the surgery on me.  I woke up the next morning with the surgeon asking me how I was.  I told him I felt fine.  He said during the surgery he had to check down my Intestines to ensure no other tumors were present.  My insurance wouldn't cover that part of the procedure.

Then he pulled up a staple remover and started to pull one of my surgical staples out.  I told him not to because it was an obvious stress point in my abdomen and it would split open.  He did it anyway.  They said I could go home as soon as I could walk the hallway to the end and back.  I did, I watched the sweat run down my chest into the open incision.

I went home as soon as possible.  The incision started to split open and I had an infection in the open part of the incision.  I started pouring pus out like a machine.  I stunk like I was rotten, and the rest of the incision started to split open.  Pretty soon I had about 4 inches of incision split open about an inch wide, and I was using chest compresses to soak up all the pus.  I had to change them every few hours.

Office visit, and the chest surgeon showed me how to use three Q-Tips to scrape down into the bottom of the wound to scoop the puss out.  I went almost 3/4 inches deep.  This is not a good experience.

I got much worse, and finally was sure that if I wanted to survive, I had to take steps of my own.  So I called the clinic and talked to the primary Doctor.  I told him I was so infected that I couldn't keep up with the pus draining, and I was going to flush my incision with Hydrogen Peroxide.  I said you don't have the option to tell me no.  But is there any reason I shouldn't do this.  He said no.

I flushed the open wound and went back to chest compresses.  The infection quickly went away.  But my abdomen still was an large open wound.  I went back to the clinic and talked with the primary Doctor.  It seems that his Chest Cutter was a new graduate, top of his class, but didn't believe in antibiotics.

After the wound closed over with a 1 inch wide ugly scar, I developed three abdominal hernias from the infection in my chest.  I told the clinic that they were going to fix them, and they better not have the same surgeon touch me or come near me.

They repaired two of the hernias by inserting a mesh in a second surgery, and claimed that the third wouldn't be a problem.  Now much later I have a bad hernia in my chest.  The original surgeon left the clinic and was in some backwoods militant group in the North West.

I have had nothing good come from being operated on by a "top of his class surgeon", and many years later I still have problems from it.

I have little faith in the "best medical persons" as a result of this and I found out that I was the only one I could really rely on.  Just a few months ago I was in the office with our family doctor and I had to tell him that he was the only doctor that had ever really helped me without making things worse.

I'm no genius but I have found that you had better check up on what the doctors were doing to you if only to confirm they weren't making things worse.  I had spent 40 years of my life researching new Physics concepts and determining if they were a viable solution to Military tactical aircraft problems.  Researching anything is the same procedure, along with knowing how to find viability in the concept.

I had a specialist in Knee replacement tell me he wouldn't operate on me because of severe water retention in my legs.  My family doctor had to prescribe diuretics to eliminate the water retention.  This had me puzzled because it suddenly appeared in a matter of days, not over time.  I researched this since it seemed unusual.

Next visit to him he asked what diuretics my doctor had me on, and I told him none.  I went home a searched the Journal of Applied Medicine for papers about sudden water retention, and found the it would occur in 12 to 14% of the people taking Ibuprofen for pain.  I quit taking Ibuprofen and the water retention went away in a day or two.  He said he never heard of that.

Look out for your self, few others will!  My family doctor will listen to me and discuss options and appears to accept my input.  Now I'm hesitant to go into surgery for my knees after the 30 years of accompanying crap my only other experience gave me.

I am surprised you put up with that wound that long.  I would be inclined to go in and make him suck it out with a straw until it is fixed.  I amazed at the reasoning of some of these "smart" people.  They don't seem to understand what they are doing and just doing what they were taught - if a then b but why not c?  I have no idea.  Mayo Clinic is very impressive and tends to do things differently.  That said they are not immune to it.

I still cannot understand the logic behind allowing an insurance company to disapprove procedures on a patient they are not qualified to diagnose and have not even seen.  How about it a doc prescribes it, you pay for it??

[LostinTexas]

2 hours ago, janice6 said:

I was diagnosed with  a stomach tumor that had perforated my stomach.  With the significant internal bleeding necessitating an emergency blood transfusion. 

I was told that they didn't know if it was Malignant or not, but my insurance company made me wait for 10 days to approve the surgery.  No one could tell me if I might live or die, depending on the outcome of the surgery.

My clinic had their "prime chest cutter" do the surgery on me. 

That phrase right there is enough to make me run away. One of my best friends is finishing a 4 year nightmare and 8? hip replacements from "The best Dallas has to offer". Doubtful. He hasn't walked without a walker in over 4 years. Now he doesn't know how and the current events of the world have hosed his rehab schedule.

LostWife found a surgeon in another city that has a reputation through the roof, and I have experience with the group, but he figure he'd go this route since his primary care suggested him.

[NPTim]

On 4/26/2020 at 4:22 PM, njl said:

AFAIK, people don’t walk around contagious with flu, not realizing they have it. At least not for long.

1-3 days generally.

[NPTim]

On 4/26/2020 at 8:10 PM, Historian said:

Picked blue berries for four hours. My hands were blue.

Never felt better with the sun on my back.

So you’re reporting acrocyanosis then?