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San Francisco cafes are banishing disposable coffee cups

By Jocelyn Gecker

The Associated Press

SAN FRANCISCO — A new cafe culture is brewing in the San Francisco area, where a growing number of coffee houses are banishing paper to-go cups and replacing them with everything from glass jars to rental mugs and BYO cup policies.

What started as a small trend among neighborhood cafes to reduce waste is gaining support from some big names in the city’s food and coffee world.

Celebrated chef Dominique Crenn, owner of the three-star Michelin restaurant Atelier Crenn, is opening a San Francisco cafe next year that will have no to-go bags or disposable coffee cups and will use no plastic. Customers who plan to sip and go at Boutique Crenn will be encouraged to bring their own coffee cups, says spokeswoman Kate Bittman.

On a bigger scale, the Blue Bottle coffeehouse chain, which goes through about 15,000 to-go cups a month at its 70 U.S. locations, says it wants to “show our guests and the world that we can eliminate disposable cups.”

Blue Bottle is starting small with plans to stop using paper cups at two of its San Francisco area branches in 2020, as part of a pledge to go “zero waste” by the end of next year. Coffee to-go customers will have to bring their own mug or pay a deposit for a reusable cup, which they can keep or return for a refund. The deposit fee will likely be between $3 and $5, the company said.

Blue Bottle’s pilot program will help guide the company on how to expand the idea nationwide, CEO Bryan Meehan said in a statement.

“We expect to lose some business,” he said. “We know some of our guests won’t like it — and we’re prepared for that.”

Larger coffee and fast-food chains around the U.S. are feeling a sense of urgency to be more environmentally friendly, and will no doubt be watching, said Bridget Croke, of New York-based recycling investment firm Closed Loop Partners, which is working with Starbucks and McDonald’s to develop an eco-friendly alternative to the disposable coffee cup.

Despite the name, today’s conventional paper cups for hot drinks aren’t made solely from paper. They also have plastic linings that prevent leakage but make them hard to recycle, Croke said. She says it’s unlikely large national chains will banish disposable cups, in the immediate term, or persuade all customers to bring mugs, so they’re looking for other solutions.

Starbucks and McDonald’s chipped in $10 million to a partnership with Closed Loop to develop the “single-use cup of the future” that is recyclable and compostable.

“They know there are business risks to not solving these problems. And the cup is the tip of the spear for them,” said Croke, adding that Blue Bottle’s choice of San Francisco for its test run is clearly the right market.

Starbucks, which has more than 15,000 U.S. cafes and about 16,000 internationally, plans to test newly designed recyclable cups in five cities next year: San Francisco, Seattle, New York, Vancouver and London, spokeswoman Noelle Novoa said.

California cities have long been leaders in recycling and passing laws to encourage eco-friendly habits.

This year, the state became the first to ban restaurants from automatically handing out plastic straws with drinks.

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San Francisco cafes are banishing disposable coffee cups
By Jocelyn Gecker

The Associated Press

SAN FRANCISCO — A new cafe culture is brewing in the San Francisco area, where a growing number of coffee houses are banishing paper to-go cups and replacing them with everything from glass jars to rental mugs and BYO cup policies.

What started as a small trend among neighborhood cafes to reduce waste is gaining support from some big names in the city’s food and coffee world.

Celebrated chef Dominique Crenn, owner of the three-star Michelin restaurant Atelier Crenn, is opening a San Francisco cafe next year that will have no to-go bags or disposable coffee cups and will use no plastic. Customers who plan to sip and go at Boutique Crenn will be encouraged to bring their own coffee cups, says spokeswoman Kate Bittman.

On a bigger scale, the Blue Bottle coffeehouse chain, which goes through about 15,000 to-go cups a month at its 70 U.S. locations, says it wants to “show our guests and the world that we can eliminate disposable cups.”

Blue Bottle is starting small with plans to stop using paper cups at two of its San Francisco area branches in 2020, as part of a pledge to go “zero waste” by the end of next year. Coffee to-go customers will have to bring their own mug or pay a deposit for a reusable cup, which they can keep or return for a refund. The deposit fee will likely be between $3 and $5, the company said.

Blue Bottle’s pilot program will help guide the company on how to expand the idea nationwide, CEO Bryan Meehan said in a statement.

“We expect to lose some business,” he said. “We know some of our guests won’t like it — and we’re prepared for that.”

Larger coffee and fast-food chains around the U.S. are feeling a sense of urgency to be more environmentally friendly, and will no doubt be watching, said Bridget Croke, of New York-based recycling investment firm Closed Loop Partners, which is working with Starbucks and McDonald’s to develop an eco-friendly alternative to the disposable coffee cup.

Despite the name, today’s conventional paper cups for hot drinks aren’t made solely from paper. They also have plastic linings that prevent leakage but make them hard to recycle, Croke said. She says it’s unlikely large national chains will banish disposable cups, in the immediate term, or persuade all customers to bring mugs, so they’re looking for other solutions.

Starbucks and McDonald’s chipped in $10 million to a partnership with Closed Loop to develop the “single-use cup of the future” that is recyclable and compostable.

“They know there are business risks to not solving these problems. And the cup is the tip of the spear for them,” said Croke, adding that Blue Bottle’s choice of San Francisco for its test run is clearly the right market.

Starbucks, which has more than 15,000 U.S. cafes and about 16,000 internationally, plans to test newly designed recyclable cups in five cities next year: San Francisco, Seattle, New York, Vancouver and London, spokeswoman Noelle Novoa said.

California cities have long been leaders in recycling and passing laws to encourage eco-friendly habits.

This year, the state became the first to ban restaurants from automatically handing out plastic straws with drinks.
So...my 4 dollar cup of coffee will now cost nine dollars. That sounds like a great business model. [emoji849]
If I have to go to the trouble to carry my own cup around, I'll just make my own coffee.
EFF THEIR VIRTUE SIGNALING ASSES!
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Yeah well...this MIGHT work for me if I didn't load my coffee up with sweet creamers or half & half :)

54 minutes ago, pizza_pablo said:

So...my 4 dollar cup of coffee will now cost nine dollars. That sounds like a great business model. emoji849.png
If I have to go to the trouble to carry my own cup around, I'll just make my own coffee.
EFF THEIR VIRTUE SIGNALING ASSES!

I don't hate this idea. Although, I like to drink out of a cup with the little cardboard sleeve, i realize it's a lot of waste. I would just have to keep something in the car at all times. As it is, I leave an insulated mug at work and have a Yeti that I use at home. I like my coffee HOT! 

Last summer in AK, the town that hosts Fred Meyer, had done away with plastic bags. Okay, so you get paper when you shop for groceries; not a bad deal. However, when we went into a clothing store and bought several items, they just folded them and handed you a stack of clothes. I felt like I was doing my laundry. Lol.

We should all be able to make some changes personally as long as we actually see changes in the cause at hand.

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Yeah well...this MIGHT work for me if I didn't load my coffee up with sweet creamers or half & half [emoji4]
I don't hate this idea. Although, I like to drink out of a cup with the little cardboard sleeve, i realize it's a lot of waste. I would just have to keep something in the car at all times. As it is, I leave an insulated mug at work and have a Yeti that I use at home. I like my coffee HOT! 
Last summer in AK, the town that hosts Fred Meyer, had done away with plastic bags. Okay, so you get paper when you shop for groceries; not a bad deal. However, when we went into a clothing store and bought several items, they just folded them and handed you a stack of clothes. I felt like I was doing my laundry. Lol.
We should all be able to make some changes personally as long as we actually see changes in the cause at hand.
Symbolism without substance. These folks act without thinking. It sounds good! It feels good! Let's do it and mandate that everyone else does it!

The lady checking out, in front of me, at the grocery and the cashier, going on and on about how awful plastic grocery bags are.
I casually say, "I bet the folks that work at the plastic bag factory don't feel that way."

Both get a dumbfounded look on their face, like they hadn't thought of those folks.
Of coarse they hadn't thought of the employment of those folks. The two were too busy FEELING good about themselves.
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6 minutes ago, pizza_pablo said:

"I bet the folks that work at the plastic bag factory don't feel that way."

Both get a dumbfounded look on their face, like they hadn't thought of those folks.
Of coarse they hadn't thought of the employment of those folks. The two were too busy FEELING good about themselves.

Do you feel the same about the employees of the cigarette companies? Those that produced Agent Orange? How about drug dealers? We could give lots of jobs to people that involve 'industries' that not only don't benefit society, but harm it. I know I'm going out a long limb here but I don't think you can justify hazards just because they provide jobs/income. 

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Do you feel the same about the employees of the cigarette companies? Those that produced Agent Orange? How about drug dealers? We could give lots of jobs to people that involve 'industries' that not only don't benefit society, but harm it. I know I'm going out a long limb here but I don't think you can justify hazards just because they provide jobs/income. 
Well, supposedly, the manufacturing process for the reusable grocery bags does more harm to the environment than the single use bags, but I haven't vetted the story.
Free enterprise will take care of it all, but our new emotional overlords won't allow that to take place. They know better than the rest of us.
I do see where you're going with your examples and I can't necessarily argue against your point.
I just don't like things rammed down my throat by folks that do not know better.
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2 hours ago, pizza_pablo said:

So...my 4 dollar cup of coffee will now cost nine dollars. That sounds like a great business model. emoji849.png
If I have to go to the trouble to carry my own cup around, I'll just make my own coffee.
EFF THEIR VIRTUE SIGNALING ASSES!

Why do I get the feeling that they will fill shelf space with coffee cups of various sizes, shapes, and slogans for sale.

not to mention the increase in waste water washing all those extra cups that could have been recycled

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Why do I get the feeling that they will fill shelf space with coffee cups of various sizes, shapes, and slogans for sale.
not to mention the increase in waste water washing all those extra cups that could have been recycled
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Exactly!
If they remove the convenience and /or increase the price with work arounds, I won't have use for them or their "service".
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3 hours ago, Dric902 said:

Why do I get the feeling that they will fill shelf space with coffee cups of various sizes, shapes, and slogans for sale.

not to mention the increase in waste water washing all those extra cups that could have been recycled

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Remember those cups that consisted of concentric rings/sleeves of metal that when pulled up all locked together to make a cup.  Then when you were done with it you could collapse it for carrying...…………………….  I hated those cups!

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1 hour ago, janice6 said:

Remember those cups that consisted of concentric rings/sleeves of metal that when pulled up all locked together to make a cup.  Then when you were done with it you could collapse it for carrying...…………………….  I hated those cups!

Oh, I thought those were the coolest thing ever when I was a kid!!! 

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2 hours ago, Zonny said:

Oh, I thought those were the coolest thing ever when I was a kid!!! 

I tried them as camping cups but they still were bulky.  I guess I always brought pop to drink.  At home it was always Coffee as far back as I can remember, I hated the taste of milk.

Even today late at night I have a glass of Chocolate Milk,  I do like Chocolate!  I take a glass of Chocolate milk out of the gallon and put back into the jug, a full bottle of Hershey's Dark Chocolate Syrup.  I LIKE IT!!!  Best of all, it doesn't taste like milk.  Oh, hot of course!

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21 hours ago, Zonny said:

Do you feel the same about the employees of the cigarette companies? Those that produced Agent Orange? How about drug dealers? We could give lots of jobs to people that involve 'industries' that not only don't benefit society, but harm it. I know I'm going out a long limb here but I don't think you can justify hazards just because they provide jobs/income. 

Isn't that what the gobbermint is? A solution waiting for a problem?

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On 12/25/2019 at 10:04 AM, pizza_pablo said:

This must be fake news, otherwise, I know a lot of fat coffee drinkers that would not be. emoji57.png

But you don't know just how fat they might have been without drinking coffee.

Maybe it's a miracle drink...……. (it is to me.  I don't think my heart would beat without it)

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