steve4102 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel, who faced criticism over his department’s response to the deadly Parkland, Florida, school shooting last year, was officially suspended by new Gov. Ron DeSantis on Friday. "Sheriff Israel has repeatedly failed and has demonstrated a pattern of poor leadership," DeSantis said in a statement. "He failed to protect Floridians and visitors during the tragic Fort Lauderdale International Airport shooting in 2017. He failed in his duties to keep our families and children safe during the devastating shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School on Feb.14, 2018," the statement read. "These incidents demonstrate Sheriff Israel’s repeated incompetence and neglect of duty. The families of the victims deserve accountability. It is my job as governor to ensure that the safety of our local communities, especially the safety of our children, is paramount. Government officials must be held accountable for their actions, and/or inactions. "For these reasons, I am suspending Sheriff Israel from office effective immediately.” DeSantis later tweeted that he was suspending Israel for "his repeated failures, incompetence and neglect of duty." https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-governor-suspends-broward-county-sheriff-scott-israel 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve4102 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 Bout damn time. Liberals got no business in LE. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glocks4Freedom Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, steve4102 said: Bout damn time. Liberals got no business in LE. And neither do cowards. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve4102 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 14 minutes ago, Glocks4Freedom said: And neither do cowards. Same-Same 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar_ml Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Do you suppose that he'll try suing that his constitutional rights were violated the same as B. Snipes were when she was fired? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve4102 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Cougar_ml said: Do you suppose that he'll try suing that his constitutional rights were violated the same as B. Snipes were when she was fired? Duno. he might, but he is not Black, so his odds of success are automatically greatly diminished. When was the last time a federal judge ruled in favor of a White male's Constitutional rights? Do they even have any anymore? Edited January 15, 2019 by steve4102 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeaDub Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Let me play devil's advocate for a minute. I tend to default to the most local governance possible. Is suspension the same as firing? As much as I detest (currently former) Sheriff Israel, my first blush reaction is to to be wary of one executive that can "fire" another. Do the voters have no recourse to remove him IF they wish? Should Trump be able to fire a governor he deems lacking? Likewise the next democrat president? In many state constitutions, the sheriff is the "chief" law enforcement official. They are elected by those impacted by their actions. Florida law may well allow this but I'm still not a fan. Pending more information, of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve4102 Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 13 minutes ago, TeaDub said: Let me play devil's advocate for a minute. I tend to default to the most local governance possible. Is suspension the same as firing? As much as I detest (currently former) Sheriff Israel, my first blush reaction is to to be wary of one executive that can "fire" another. Do the voters have no recourse to remove him IF they wish? Should Trump be able to fire a governor he deems lacking? Likewise the next democrat president? In many state constitutions, the sheriff is the "chief" law enforcement official. They are elected by those impacted by their actions. Florida law may well allow this but I'm still not a fan. Pending more information, of course. FL State Statute give the Governor that power. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citra47 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 hour ago, steve4102 said: Duno. he might, but he is not Black, so his odds of success are automatically greatly diminished. When was the last time a federal judge ruled in favor of a White male's Constitutional rights? Do they even have any anymore? Nope………………………….don't think so. Not for the last several years anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWalrad Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Screw him and the horse he rode in on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crockett Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 This photo is all you need to know. Glad this deep-state POS got kicked out. Love DeSantis! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeG36 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I can't stand that cowardly POS. I'm glad the Florida Gov has the balls to do what should've been done a long time ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul53 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I'm OK with him claiming his rights were denied as long as the dead students are his jury. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 3 hours ago, TeaDub said: Let me play devil's advocate for a minute. I tend to default to the most local governance possible. Is suspension the same as firing? As much as I detest (currently former) Sheriff Israel, my first blush reaction is to to be wary of one executive that can "fire" another. Do the voters have no recourse to remove him IF they wish? Should Trump be able to fire a governor he deems lacking? Likewise the next democrat president? In many state constitutions, the sheriff is the "chief" law enforcement official. They are elected by those impacted by their actions. Florida law may well allow this but I'm still not a fan. Pending more information, of course. I took these paragraphs out of the story, there is a large portion of the story I didn't copy, this just shows the cliff notes part of the story to answer your question. https://news.yahoo.com/florida-governor-suspends-sheriff-school-massacre-220139203.html FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (AP) — New Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis suspended Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel on Friday over his handling of February's massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, saying he "repeatedly failed and has demonstrated a pattern of poor leadership." Minutes after DeSantis' announcement, Israel said he "wholeheartedly" rejected the governor's order and would fight it in court, arguing that DeSantis was making a "power grab" against the will of the county's people who elected him. He said DeSantis was acting on behalf of the National Rifle Association, which quickly blamed the sheriff's office after the shooting. "There was no wrongdoing on my part. I served the county honorably," he said. "False narratives may continue, but not in a court of law. In a court of law, only the facts matter." Under Florida law, the governor can suspend elected officials for criminal activity, misfeasance, incompetence or neglect of duty. If Israel challenges the suspension, the state Senate would hold a trial and could either fire or reinstate him. DeSantis' Republican predecessor, now-U.S. Sen. Rick Scott, refused to suspend Israel, saying he wanted to wait until investigations were completed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve4102 Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 40 minutes ago, Paul53 said: I'm OK with him claiming his rights were denied as long as the dead students are his jury. Or their parents and loved ones. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeaDub Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, Mike said: I took these paragraphs out of the story, there is a large portion of the story I didn't copy, this just shows the cliff notes part of the story to answer your question. https://news.yahoo.com/florida-governor-suspends-sheriff-school-massacre-220139203.html FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (AP) — New Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis suspended Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel on Friday over his handling of February's massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, saying he "repeatedly failed and has demonstrated a pattern of poor leadership." Minutes after DeSantis' announcement, Israel said he "wholeheartedly" rejected the governor's order and would fight it in court, arguing that DeSantis was making a "power grab" against the will of the county's people who elected him. He said DeSantis was acting on behalf of the National Rifle Association, which quickly blamed the sheriff's office after the shooting. "There was no wrongdoing on my part. I served the county honorably," he said. "False narratives may continue, but not in a court of law. In a court of law, only the facts matter." Under Florida law, the governor can suspend elected officials for criminal activity, misfeasance, incompetence or neglect of duty. If Israel challenges the suspension, the state Senate would hold a trial and could either fire or reinstate him. DeSantis' Republican predecessor, now-U.S. Sen. Rick Scott, refused to suspend Israel, saying he wanted to wait until investigations were completed. I have little doubt that Israel is a political POS. IF the voters for whom he is elected have no legal recourse (recall), then I understand Desantis. Otherwise, this is politics. I wonder in four years what a Governor Gillum would do to a Sheriff that ordered "too much force" (as he describes it) in a lawful arrest? It would be quite embarrassing to have the state senate reinstate Israel. Again, politics. State and local laws should default to the closest accountability. Federal too for that matter. Elect who you want. Let them live or or die politically by the people involved. If the voters want a POS, let them have it. No one outside Broward County has to deal with his decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar_ml Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, steve4102 said: Duno. he might, but he is not Black, so his odds of success are automatically greatly diminished. When was the last time a federal judge ruled in favor of a White male's Constitutional rights? Do they even have any anymore? I'm sure for the purpose of the lawsuit he could "identify" that he's black or a woman or some other "protected" group, which is everything except white male. Edited January 16, 2019 by Cougar_ml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWARREN123 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I believe the state senate must rule on this. He will either be reinstated or fired depending on the senate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windowasher Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 17 hours ago, Paul53 said: I'm OK with him claiming his rights were denied as long as the dead students are his jury. 16 hours ago, steve4102 said: Or their parents and loved ones. I would like to see a jury composed of other County Sheriffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwalchmai Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 21 hours ago, steve4102 said: Duno. he might, but he is not Black, so his odds of success are automatically greatly diminished. He's as black as Rachel Donuts-Oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moeman Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 22 hours ago, steve4102 said: Bout damn time. Liberals got no business in LE. And yet many dedicate their lives to LEO, fire departments and the military... and some give their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moeman Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Getting pretty racist here, huh? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwalchmai Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 15 hours ago, Moeman said: Getting pretty racist here, huh? i.e., someone said something against a liberal. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collim1 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 On 1/15/2019 at 6:03 PM, TeaDub said: Let me play devil's advocate for a minute. I tend to default to the most local governance possible. Is suspension the same as firing? As much as I detest (currently former) Sheriff Israel, my first blush reaction is to to be wary of one executive that can "fire" another. Do the voters have no recourse to remove him IF they wish? Should Trump be able to fire a governor he deems lacking? Likewise the next democrat president? In many state constitutions, the sheriff is the "chief" law enforcement official. They are elected by those impacted by their actions. Florida law may well allow this but I'm still not a fan. Pending more information, of course. I agree. They elected him. Best recourse is to vote for someone else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve4102 Posted January 17, 2019 Author Share Posted January 17, 2019 5 hours ago, Collim1 said: I agree. They elected him. Best recourse is to vote for someone else. Recourse is follow FL Law. FL Law allows such a move by the FL Governor. Many states do not allow this provision, FL does. Don't like it work to change the Law. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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