Borg warner Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 hour ago, pipedreams said: It was actually 7 "Bullets" not 5. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, janice6 said: "He" can't pass legislation. "He" is still subject to the will of the people. If enough flawed individuals want, "He" will have no choice. God can do what he wants, "He" has significant legal restrictions on what "He" can do. I was speaking as a True Believer HE started the whole spending bill train rolling. Emergency spending/disaster relief legislation already in place would not have needed new legislation. it’s the biggest attempt at nationalization of private industry and the economy as a whole since WWII but it’s Trump, so it’s ok. . Edited March 25, 2020 by Dric902 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampfox762 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 39 minutes ago, Dric902 said: I can’t believe HE would allow the Democraps to play him like that. HE would ever let the American people be hurt by the greed and partisanship of the socialist left. HE would Trumpify them into sending him a clean bill he asked for (only 1 trillion) ‘HE would ‘Art of the Deal’ them into winning again, because that’s what HE does. Hillary would sign a 6 trillion dollars bill full of freedom stealing, liberal dream amendments. The Trump would fight and win for freedom and the people and the country against these media hype loving commie America haters. . He can only do the best deal he can for the American people. The democraps DONT care about the American people, so they can hold out as long as they want just to screw him up!!! I trust ANY deal Trump can make with those bastard demoCRAPS!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampfox762 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dric902 said: I was speaking as a True Believer Yeah, "true believer".... As my Dad use to say..."Want in one hand and S#$T in the other and see which comes True First"!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borg warner Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dric902 said: I was speaking as a True Believer HE started the whole spending bill train rolling. Emergency spending/disaster relief legislation already in place would not have needed new legislation. it’s the biggest attempt at nationalization of private industry and the economy as a whole since WWII but it’s Trump, so it’s ok. . Trump isn't the one loading down the spending bills with massive amounts of non-essential PORK. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Just now, Swampfox762 said: Yeah, "true believer".... As my Dad use to say..."Want in one hand and S#$T in the other and see which comes True First"!!!! Don’t say that to a True Believing Trumper there is a toilet paper shortage . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Borg warner said: Trump isn't the one loading down the spending bills with massive amounts of non-essential PORK. It already was, from Trump. It’s just getting bigger. nobody is trying to negotiate it down, just typing as fast as they can to add more . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Four Republican senators are warning that they will oppose fast-tracking the $2 trillion coronavirus response package unless a “massive drafting error” in the legislation, which they say would create an incentive for employers to lay off employees, is fixed. "You want to destroy what's left of the economy? Pass it the way it’s written," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said in a press conference. "If you want to help people, pay them their wages, but don’t pay them more not to work." The concern from Sens. Graham, Tim Scott, R-S.C., Ben Sasse, R-Neb., and Rick Scott, R-Fla., is that the current version could pay workers more in unemployment benefits than they're currently making, by sticking a $600 per week payment on top of ordinary benefits that are calculated as a percentage of income. This could disrupt the labor market further, the lawmakers warn. "A massive drafting error in the current version of the coronavirus relief legislation could have devastating consequences: Unless this bill is fixed, there is a strong incentive for employees to be laid off instead of going to work. This isn’t an abstract, philosophical point -- it’s an immediate, real-world problem,” Tim Scott, Sasse and Graham said in a statement. The White House and Senate leaders had come to an agreement on the $2 trillion package that is designed to boost the economy and provide aid to workers and businesses affected by the closing down of much of daily life in response to the coronavirus crisis. Leaders have emphasized the urgency of getting the package passed as quickly as possible in order to get assistance to Americans in need. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-senators-oppose-coronavirus-bill-error . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Just now, Dric902 said: I was speaking as a True Beliver HE started the whole spending bill train rolling. Emergency spending/disaster relief legislation already in place would not have needed new legislation. it’s the biggest attempt at nationalization of private industry and the economy as a whole since WWII but it’s Trump, so it’s ok. . He stopped the economy. Now he has to do something to stop a slide into oblivion. He wants to restart the economy since his business sense says that this state cannot survive too long without normal commerce. But too many "experts" are united in the idea that isolation will hide people from a contagion. Those preaching fear have sway over logic and common sense. He knows this will not prevent the inevitable, but that so many people are running scared from the spectre of imminent death, he has to do something to wean them away from their fear. This is not an easy task trying to quell a stampede heading for a cliff. So instead of saying, now we will get back to business as usual, a state of affairs that few would believe due to the input of the media and the liberals campaigning against him, he says we will give you money in the interim, and shortly we will restart the economy. He's telling them that things will be better in a short time so they will have some time to be able to absorb this belief and accept it. No. I don't like seeing all that instant debt, but the media and liberals have people convinced that gradual improvement is more palatable than instant improvement. People have their fear and you can't simply say that now, it's over. Many people see this as an opportunity to control others. You have to pull those others back from the grasp of control without scaring them. The people need to be coaxed and cajoled into believing the worst of the threat is over, and they dealt with it like the good children they are. The phrase, "Flattening the curve" really means mitigating that spike in fear and hysteria produced by the media, and the unknown must be explained by tempering instantaneous reaction and introducing sanity over a period of time. This is a mental health repair of mass fear, and nothing related with a virus. Our country must be dragged back into the light of rational thinking somewhat slowly, and not by simply switching on the light. Too quick a cure will result in too many not believing in it. Once committed to isolation, you must get people to re-associate at a pace that they can handle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 That’s not freedom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Just now, Dric902 said: That’s not freedom Freedom is a concept that's different to each and every person you ask to define it. This is as far as we can go with it since so many people are unsure of themselves, they would fight it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, janice6 said: Freedom is a concept that's different to each and every person you ask to define it. This is as far as we can go with it since so many people are unsure of themselves, they would fight it. Ask yourself if Hillary had done what Trump has done in the last three weeks the right would be screaming . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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janice6 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Dric902 said: Ask yourself if Hillary had done what Trump has done in the last three weeks the right would be screaming . I believe Hillary would do far more. So we are back to the old, lesser of the Evils. No matter our ideals, this is the best we can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dric902 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 30 minutes ago, janice6 said: I believe Hillary would do far more. So we are back to the old, lesser of the Evils. No matter our ideals, this is the best we can do. Hobson’s choice we are seeing the long term effects of voting “lessor” repeatedly over years. The difference is smaller and smaller until nearly indistinguishable. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borg warner Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dric902 said: Ask yourself if Hillary had done what Trump has done in the last three weeks the right would be screaming . So are you going to be voting for Joe this November? I'm not so sure that things will get better with the Democrats completely in charge, and it would be a mistake to assume that it couldn't get a whole lot worse. Edited March 25, 2020 by Borg warner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwalchmai Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 22 minutes ago, Dric902 said: Hobson’s choice we are seeing the long term effects of voting “lessor” repeatedly over years. The difference is smaller and smaller until nearly indistinguishable. . I hate to agree, Dric, but I'm inclined to. I think Trump initially saw that this thing was overblown, and had the guts to say so. Once the panic set in, though, he realized that he had to jump on the bandwagon or the Chicken Little voters would abandon him. I was even willing to forgive the initial $1T proposal, but now it looks like we're going to vote ourselves into full socialism before we even approach an election. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 34 minutes ago, Dric902 said: Hobson’s choice we are seeing the long term effects of voting “lessor” repeatedly over years. The difference is smaller and smaller until nearly indistinguishable. . Of course. And nothing will change because this is the level of ignorance people are comfortable with. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 12 minutes ago, gwalchmai said: I hate to agree, Dric, but I'm inclined to. I think Trump initially saw that this thing was overblown, and had the guts to say so. Once the panic set in, though, he realized that he had to jump on the bandwagon or the Chicken Little voters would abandon him. I was even willing to forgive the initial $1T proposal, but now it looks like we're going to vote ourselves into full socialism before we even approach an election. If it does, it would be the first time since 2012 the U.S. economy will have to support a deficit so large, highlighting a basic shift for the Republican Party, which has traditionally prided itself on fiscal conservatism. The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a Washington fiscal watchdog, said the red ink may rise in fiscal 2019 to $1.12 trillion. If current policies continue, it said, the deficit could top a record-setting $2 trillion by 2027. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-fiscal-idUSKBN1FI2P2 I guess 2027 was a little too optimistic. This bill alone will nearly double the deficit by itself. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 15 minutes ago, Borg warner said: So are you going to be voting for Joe this November? I'm not so sure that things will get better with the Democrats completely in charge, and it would be a mistake to assume that it couldn't get a whole lot worse. That sentiment got us where we are today . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borg warner Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Just now, Dric902 said: That sentiment got us where we are today . So are you voting Democrat in November because you don't think it can get any worse? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Borg warner said: So are you voting Democrat in November because you don't think it can get any worse? Your making a lot of foolish either/or, black/white assumptions there is no chance this side of hell I could ever see myself vote D, at least while I’m alive. But I do vote, so I can bitch and complain, and hold their feet to the fire. Without blinders or colored glasses...can you? (you realize that if not for impeachment, suppressors would likely be banned and universal background checks would be in place) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borg warner Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dric902 said: Your making a lot of foolish either/or, black/white assumptions there is no chance this side of hell I could ever see myself vote D, at least while I’m alive. But I do vote, so I can bitch and complain, and hold their feet to the fire. Without blinders or colored glasses...can you? (you realize that if not for impeachment, suppressors would likely be banned and universal background checks would be in place) . Please provide the documentation that shows how Trump had plans to ban suppressors and pass universal background checks by executive fiat but that the impeachment proceedings derailed those plans. That sounds like conspiracy stuff but if there's any truth to it at all that isn't common knowledge I'd like to know about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampfox762 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 24 minutes ago, Dric902 said: (you realize that if not for impeachment, suppressors would likely be banned and universal background checks would be in place) You are SO FULL of crap, I hope you DON'T have any Toilet paper!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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