The New Z06

[crockett]

Doug gave his typical, awkward 5 cents on it, mute him if you can't stand it, but he shows some nice details on a better spec Z06. That color combo is nice in these shots.

 

 

 

[DAKA]

18 hours ago, crockett said:

Doug gave his typical, awkward 5 cents on it, mute him if you can't stand it, but he shows some nice details on a better spec Z06. That color combo is nice in these shots.

 

 

 

Aieeee...He does go an a bit....

[SC Tiger]

On 10/27/2021 at 3:54 PM, M&P15T said:

 

I watch a ton of YT automotive channels, so it kicked up one short video where she admitted she does almost 0 work on the car(s).

Not that I care, she's cashing in and laughing her butt all the way to the bank.......so good for her.

Watched another one of Hartford's videos and I'm coming around to the "face for the camera" concept.  To me she did not look particularly comfortable working on an engine she was doing (along with someone from her shop).  

That's fine - a lot of shops don't even build engines anymore.  Easier to farm that out to a specialist.  Most standard repair shops these days would rather swap an engine out than rebuild (though that has more to do with warranty, costs, etc).  I think the engine in her C8 was built in Texas.  And I don't know how much she claims to know about that stuff so cannot comment there.

Whatever.  She's kinda cute and has apparently done pretty well for herself.  Good for her.

 

I only found out about her from a web series where they took ten cars that were supposed to be streetable high performance custom cars cars and tested them through several different tests.  Most failed at something.  She was one of the co hosts.  I was supposed to know who the other two were I guess but alas, I have no idea.  They took ten from the eastern half of the US, ten from the western, each competed and the top however many were supposed to compete in a finals of some sort.

[SC Tiger]

On 10/29/2021 at 6:27 PM, crockett said:

Doug gave his typical, awkward 5 cents on it, mute him if you can't stand it, but he shows some nice details on a better spec Z06. That color combo is nice in these shots.

 

 

 

I like Doug Demuro's stuff, and I hate it at the same time.  He's kinda obnoxious but he does show some really interesting cars.  The McLaren Speedtail was my favorite.

He's done everything from the Speedtail to a Yugo to some Soviet POS to a Lambo SUV.

The T-shirt shows he owns his 'uniqueness' though.

One question on the C8 Z06 - can it handle a track day without blowing up?  They had some problems with earlier Corvettes.

[SC Tiger]

On 10/27/2021 at 5:14 PM, crockett said:

Here she makes it look like that she bought her dream car, a F40. Only captures the shipping within the US for another buyer.

These clickbait channels are cancer.

 

 

 

 

If I saw that video my first question would be HOW did she get an F40.  Not the money - how did she get someone to sell it to her.  I think Ferrari controls their used market pretty tightly.  I know you have to be considered 'worthy' to own one of the really hot ones, like an F40 when it's new.  That's one way McLauren is making inroads into the supercar market - they'll sell to anyone that has the money.  

How tightly Ferrari controls their used - I'm not so sure.  

Nice Retro Jordan's though.  I guess - that's something else I don't know shvt about.....

[Fnfalman]

Apropos of nothing, Yamaha put the flat plane crank into their R1 motorcycle back in 2009 or somewhere around that time frame.  

[crockett]

4 hours ago, SC Tiger said:

If I saw that video my first question would be HOW did she get an F40.  Not the money - how did she get someone to sell it to her.  I think Ferrari controls their used market pretty tightly.  I know you have to be considered 'worthy' to own one of the really hot ones, like an F40 when it's new.  That's one way McLauren is making inroads into the supercar market - they'll sell to anyone that has the money.  

How tightly Ferrari controls their used - I'm not so sure.  

Nice Retro Jordan's though.  I guess - that's something else I don't know shvt about.....

 

Most F40s get actioned off these days. Money talks. Last F40LM sold for 6 million.

A bunch of kids have been buying McLarens for the past few years. Distant buddy I used to share a chat with, also day trader, bought a 570 and traded it in soon after for a 720. He runs his own trading stream and course, so anything that looks like money gets him customers. Couple years ago he still financed part of his cars, now he has a net worth of about 20 M. One of the smartest kids I know. He gets things done in one year that takes others an entire lifetime.

 

 

 

[SC Tiger]

On 11/1/2021 at 4:34 PM, Fnfalman said:

Apropos of nothing, Yamaha put the flat plane crank into their R1 motorcycle back in 2009 or somewhere around that time frame.  

If that's what I think it is, guys were putting those into cars back in the 60s-70s-80s I think (not sure).  A flat plane crank used to be the only way you could get a forged crankshaft - you couldn't forge a conventional crankshaft.

That may have changed.  But apparently a flat plane crank is lighter.

[M&P15T]

On 11/1/2021 at 8:57 AM, SC Tiger said:

.......I think the engine in her C8 was built in Texas.....

Texas Speed?

Texas Speed does many engine builds for a few YT channels. Including Cleetus. 

[SC Tiger]

4 hours ago, M&P15T said:

Texas Speed?

Texas Speed does many engine builds for a few YT channels. Including Cleetus. 

That's them I think.  Sounds right anyway.  

My question is still - if you're gonna go that far, why not build an engine that uses a ECU that you can hack?  Or use an older, hackable ECU with the current engine and hack it to work (if that's possible)?  Are there more inputs/sensors/etc?  The flat-plane crank may make using a mismatched ECU difficult or impossible though.  I don't know much about that stuff.

I haven't watched enough of that channel to know what they did, because while Emelia is cute, the channel can be obnoxious as hell.

Tavarish has more technical content, and Wrench Every Day with Jared Pink is a pretty good one.

[M&P15T]

21 hours ago, SC Tiger said:

That's them I think.  Sounds right anyway.  

My question is still - if you're gonna go that far, why not build an engine that uses a ECU that you can hack?  Or use an older, hackable ECU with the current engine and hack it to work (if that's possible)?  Are there more inputs/sensors/etc?  The flat-plane crank may make using a mismatched ECU difficult or impossible though.  I don't know much about that stuff.

I haven't watched enough of that channel to know what they did, because while Emelia is cute, the channel can be obnoxious as hell.

Tavarish has more technical content, and Wrench Every Day with Jared Pink is a pretty good one.

My guess is that the reason for not replacing the ECU with a stand-alone unit, is that there's a ton more electro-digical stuff integrated into the OEM ECU. New cars have tremendous numbers of BCMs (body control modules) and other little computers tucked away here and there, throughout the car, controlling and monitoring different stuff. All communicating with the ECU.

I have no doubt that a C8 would become completely un-drivable without the factory ECU, even if a stand-alone ECU could run the engine. And they're not programmable or hackable as I have read/heard.

[SC Tiger]

On 11/4/2021 at 12:00 PM, M&P15T said:

My guess is that the reason for not replacing the ECU with a stand-alone unit, is that there's a ton more electro-digical stuff integrated into the OEM ECU. New cars have tremendous numbers of BCMs (body control modules) and other little computers tucked away here and there, throughout the car, controlling and monitoring different stuff. All communicating with the ECU.

I have no doubt that a C8 would become completely un-drivable without the factory ECU, even if a stand-alone ECU could run the engine. And they're not programmable or hackable as I have read/heard.

Good point.  I think some even go as far as being involved in the creature features....AC, window motors, etc.

Next idea - stand-alone ECU with a feed that goes to the built-in ECU.  Basically, when engine is running the stand-alone feeds a signal to the stock ECU that tricks it into thinking it's running as a stock engine.  Meanwhile the custom ECU controls the engine.  There was one at one point that went between the car wiring harness and the stock ECU for a Mustang, and at a certain RPM it took over for the stock ECM.

The problem I forsee is that you'd have to figure out how to trick the stock ECU not only into thinking the engine is stock, but also into doing what you want when you want it to.  So if you want the car's suspension to firm up and it goes off of a particular set of engine paramters, you have to somehow feed those parameters to the stock ECU from the stand-alone.  As a for instance, if the engine ECU needs to know when the AC is on, or what gear the trans is in, or info from the suspension, the 'stock' ecu (which would presumably know) would need to be be able to communicate that to the stand-alone ECU, which will need to know what to do with it.  All while ensuring the stock ECU think that all's good from the sensor readings.  Probably doable but could it be done economically?  I could see that getting really complicated really fast.

And our resident 'expert' (not at all saying Crockett isn't an expert or that he doesn't know his stuff, but I'm always hesitant about people I've only met on the internet) seems to confirm that the C8 ECU is unhackable - or damn close at this point.