Trump to take imminent action on cases of three military members accused of war crimes

[pipedreams]

"President Trump will take "imminent" action on the cases of three former U.S. military service members accused of war crimes, Fox News' Pete Hegseth reported Monday.

Speaking on "Fox & Friends," Hegseth said Trump - who ordered the review of the charges against Army 1st Lt. Clint Lorance and Army Green Beret Maj. Matt Golsteyn - will be meeting with Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy about the cases and an announcement could come within a week.

Hegseth, who said he spoke with Trump over the weekend, reported that the president is keen to act before Veterans Day, which is on November 11."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-imminent-action-military-cases-golsteyn-lorance-gallagher

[janice6]

War is Hell.  the more viscously it's prosecuted, the quicker it will be over.  Apologies to Sherman.

“War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.” William Tecumseh Sherman

[Dric902]

What if their guilty?

[janice6]

3 minutes ago, Dric902 said:

What if their guilty?

Then you may have to prosecute all of the armed services serving on the battlefield.  the difference between awarding a medal and prosecuting is in the mind of those who see the act from a safe place.

Edited November 4, 2019 by janice6

[Dric902]

Not really

we had a 101st guy who threw a grenade on his command tent.

had a 7th Corp NCO rape and kill an Iraqi girl.

Bergdahl was on active deployment

Manning was active overseas

you cannot kill prisoners, no matter who they are. They are your prisoner and you are responsible for their safety. Like it or not, that’s the way it is.

indiscriminate killing is not war fighting.

a uniform is not a defense.

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[Dric902]

I I have never been a super duper ninja operator, but I have been there and done that enough to have a sore spot when it comes to this. I’m tired and I’ve been up 18 hours, so you all get a rant.

the couch potato cheering section is usually very misguided. I have seen cartoons and memes about this dog getting a MoH and it is starting to bug me. 

It’s a dog, it does what is is trained to do and follow the commands it’s given. It’s a very effective and useful piece of equipment, but that’s what it is. It’s a rifle, grenade, radio. It doesn’t know what day it is, what country it’s in or know Baghdadi from a crackhead. It doesn’t know it’s “risking its life for God and Country” I don’t care what you named your puppy when you were 8 years old. You don’t put a medal on your rifle, you put it on the ******* men.

MEN...DO...THESE...THINGS

highly motivated, trained, and professional men. Jacked up on adrenaline, scared shitless but they do the job, stick to the plan and fall back on their training. Every ******* day.

Men with families, wives, girlfriends, kids that they don’t know if they will ever see again. You maintain your professionalism, keep a grip on your self, train hard, do the job, watch you buddy, rely on your team....that’s how you get home. Nobody went through that hole in the wall of the compound yelling “MAGA Motherf*cker, Trump says hello” that’s bullshit. 

If you cannot maintain your professionalism and keep your head you are NOT deployable. If you lose control and kill a prisoner because he made a bomb that killed some of your people, if you shoot a couple people on a motorbike because there were some others that planted an IED, if you stab and kill a 15 year old and take pics with the body....you’re not a badass patriot, you’re dangerous.

You’re dangerous to everybody you deployed with, everybody relying on you, your whole f#$king team. If you lose your **** watching prisoners then I can’t trust you not to lose your **** when we have incoming. I can’t ******* count on you if you can’t keep your cool when it’s not hot, I can’t rely on you when it is hot. You are endangering me going home to my wife and kids because you lose your **** sideways and violate the ROE, UCMJ and Law of War. You don’t have to like them, you can bitch about them but you will By God follow them. You cannot lose control and kill a prisoner or target a “maybe that was them” and then show up the next day to train on a future mission mock up. You are not trustworthy.

You’re not a ass kicking patriot that deserves a medal, your a f@#king threat to the rest of your team.

thats why we have psych evals.

You just got about half a Special Ops recruiting briefing, If it pisses you off I’ll compare scars anytime.

I’ve seen some ****, and I’ve kept my head. I’ve seen some that didn’t, when it was hot and when it was not. I’ve seen a Spec4 stab a cab driver, steal the cab and go party in Seoul for the weekend. And that was in peacetime. I’ve seen a man in Panama on body detail start dancing with a torso. I’ve accompanied friends home in boxes. You have to grab them by the ass and pull them from the situation. 

you think the men who went into that tunnel to collect body parts for DNA confirmation didn’t pick up some parts of the kids?? you don’t think that affected them? Of course it did, especially the ones with kids. But you do the job, keep your head, maintain professionalism, and handle the “feels” later. Yeah, they have feelings too. They are humans with families and kids. That’s why you have debriefings and are off duty afterwords for a few days.

You can beat your hairy chest and chant all you want, you’re a fu*#ing fool and have no idea what your talking about. Go watch Rambo movies in the barracks with the cooks.

 

I’m convinced that a good percentage of veteran suicide isn’t from deploying...its from coming home. 

Some people ignore you for the “mark of Cain” on you, others talk about the weather and act like youve never left. And then you have the beer bellied MAGA hat wearing morons slapping your back saying “got you some of that sh*t didn’t ya? We should bomb all those mooslims to hell and be done with em. Did you get you a few? Haha”

And the poor guy thinks “Yeah I did, I didn’t sleep for a week and I still see that fu#@ers face when I close my eyes. I remember every fuc*$ing one, because I can’t forget them” PTSD (the real stuff, not the disability claim) isn’t helped by a meme

 

Im tired and I’ve said too much. I’m going to bed

 

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Edited November 5, 2019 by Dric902

[Historian]

58 minutes ago, Dric902 said:

Im tired and I’ve said too much. I’m going to bed

 

You made your point very nicely...and i agree.

[janice6]

1 hour ago, Dric902 said:

I I have never been a super duper ninja operator, but I have been there and done that enough to have a sore spot when it comes to this. I’m tired and I’ve been up 18 hours, so you all get a rant.

the couch potato cheering section is usually very misguided. I have seen cartoons and memes about this dog getting a MoH and it is starting to bug me. 

It’s a dog, it does what is is trained to do and follow the commands it’s given. It’s a very effective and useful piece of equipment, but that’s what it is. It’s a rifle, grenade, radio. It doesn’t know what day it is, what country it’s in or know Baghdadi from a crackhead. It doesn’t know it’s “risking its life for God and Country” I don’t care what you named your puppy when you were 8 years old. You don’t put a medal on your rifle, you put it on the ******* men.

MEN...DO...THESE...THINGS

highly motivated, trained, and professional men. Jacked up on adrenaline, scared shitless but they do the job, stick to the plan and fall back on their training. Every ******* day.

Men with families, wives, girlfriends, kids that they don’t know if they will ever see again. You maintain your professionalism, keep a grip on your self, train hard, do the job, watch you buddy, rely on your team....that’s how you get home. Nobody went through that hole in the wall of the compound yelling “MAGA Motherf*cker, Trump says hello” that’s bullshit. 

If you cannot maintain your professionalism and keep your head you are NOT deployable. If you lose control and kill a prisoner because he made a bomb that killed some of your people, if you shoot a couple people on a motorbike because there were some others that planted an IED, if you stab and kill a 15 year old and take pics with the body....you’re not a badass patriot, you’re dangerous.

You’re dangerous to everybody you deployed with, everybody relying on you, your whole f#$king team. If you lose your **** watching prisoners then I can’t trust you not to lose your **** when we have incoming. I can’t ******* count on you if you can’t keep your cool when it’s not hot, I can’t rely on you when it is hot. You are endangering me going home to my wife and kids because you lose your **** sideways and violate the ROE, UCMJ and Law of War. You don’t have to like them, you can bitch about them but you will By God follow them. You cannot lose control and kill a prisoner or target a “maybe that was them” and then show up the next day to train on a future mission mock up. You are not trustworthy.

You’re not a ass kicking patriot that deserves a medal, your a f@#king threat to the rest of your team.

thats why we have psych evals.

You just got about half a Special Ops recruiting briefing, If it pisses you off I’ll compare scars anytime.

I’ve seen some ****, and I’ve kept my head. I’ve seen some that didn’t, when it was hot and when it was not. I’ve seen a Spec4 stab a cab driver, steal the cab and go party in Seoul for the weekend. And that was in peacetime. I’ve seen a man in Panama on body detail start dancing with a torso. I’ve accompanied friends home in boxes. You have to grab them by the ass and pull them from the situation. 

you think the men who went into that tunnel to collect body parts for DNA confirmation didn’t pick up some parts of the kids?? you don’t think that affected them? Of course it did, especially the ones with kids. But you do the job, keep your head, maintain professionalism, and handle the “feels” later. Yeah, they have feelings too. They are humans with families and kids. That’s why you have debriefings and are off duty afterwords for a few days.

You can beat your hairy chest and chant all you want, you’re a fu*#ing fool and have no idea what your talking about. Go watch Rambo movies in the barracks with the cooks.

 

I’m convinced that a good percentage of veteran suicide isn’t from deploying...its from coming home. 

Some people ignore you for the “mark of Cain” on you, others talk about the weather and act like youve never left. And then you have the beer bellied MAGA hat wearing morons slapping your back saying “got you some of that sh*t didn’t ya? We should bomb all those mooslims to hell and be done with em. Did you get you a few? Haha”

And the poor guy thinks “Yeah I did, I didn’t sleep for a week and I still see that fu#@ers face when I close my eyes. I remember every fuc*$ing one, because I can’t forget them” PTSD (the real stuff, not the disability claim) isn’t helped by a meme

 

Im tired and I’ve said too much. I’m going to bed

 

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I have to agree.  It's just that you get tired of being treated like crap by those who live hundreds of years in the past with no regard for life.  Pretty soon, you begin to think like they do.

Anyway, as I said, you are right, but sometimes you want to see retribution in you own lifetime.

[Moshe]

Here is my perspective:  Innocent until proven guilty.  Proven guilty, the old school standards of yester year should apply.  That is why I am impatiently wondering now that Billary has been proven to have done everything her machine has accused Trump of, and she has committed high crimes and treason, when is her ugly ass going to be prosecuted?