Climate change, yep

[fortyofforty]

Again the question remains:  What can and should be done to stop this "crisis"?  Right now, what can and should be done?

[Huaco Kid]

14 minutes ago, fortyofforty said:

Right now, what can and should be done?

Extinguish all volcanoes.

Outlaw fire.

Have the world's unemployed and the Mexican caravans assigned to replant the rain forests.

Replace the sun with a more controllable source of radiation.

[gwalchmai]

26 minutes ago, fortyofforty said:

Again the question remains:  What can and should be done to stop this "crisis"?  Right now, what can and should be done?

Large changes take time. We didn't get into this "crisis" overnight and it'll take a generation to turn this train. IMO, we as Conservatives need to take the initiative and conserve. It's one thing to point out Gore's hypocrisy, but it falls flat if I'm doing it while driving a gas guzzler. We can all make our own choices, and i try to do so. Frugality is its own reward but if enough of us make small contributions it'll add up.

[gwalchmai]

9 minutes ago, Huaco Kid said:

Extinguish all volcanoes.

Outlaw fire.

Have the world's unemployed and the Mexican caravans assigned to replant the rain forests.

Replace the sun with a more controllable source of radiation.

You work on the Dyson Sphere, I'll keep my air filter changed.

[Moeman]

11 minutes ago, gwalchmai said:

Large changes take time. We didn't get into this "crisis" overnight and it'll take a generation to turn this train. IMO, we as Conservatives need to take the initiative and conserve. It's one thing to point out Gore's hypocrisy, but it falls flat if I'm doing it while driving a gas guzzler. We can all make our own choices, and i try to do so. Frugality is its own reward but if enough of us make small contributions it'll add up.

This... also have tidal energy as a focus, continue with solar and wind.  Those whom use the word fascist when in fact conservatism is the truth.  The White House report (& what does Gore have to do with that?) runs contrary to POTUS who seeks the roll backs on poison emmisions. Oh & BTW there is no such thing as clean coal. Mankind can do things. 

[Huaco Kid]

Outlaw all plastic, metal, electronic, and battery manufacturing.

If it's not made from bamboo and hemp, you can't have it.

[janice6]

It's an economic world.  Until someone believes that doing all these things will put money in their own personal pocket, they will not do them.  No matter what the cost, if it doesn't put money in their pocket.

This is a capitalistic country.  Money talks or no one listens.

[Huaco Kid]

5 minutes ago, janice6 said:

It's an economic world.  Until someone believes that doing all these things will put money in their own personal pocket, they will not do them.  No matter what the cost, if it doesn't put money in their pocket.

Shut up, Ayn.

[tous]

3 hours ago, gwalchmai said:

You work on the Dyson Sphere, I'll keep my air filter changed.

At least we know that once constructed, it will be well vacuumed.

[Moeman]

12 minutes ago, Huaco Kid said:

Shut up, Ayn.

Atlas shrugged to reach the toilet paper.

[crockett]

4 hours ago, fortyofforty said:

Again the question remains:  What can and should be done to stop this "crisis"?  Right now, what can and should be done?

Removal of tax cuts for families with kids. Those who decide not to have kids should get the tax cuts. Less people on earth, less waste and less emissions. But that ain't happening... who else is going to pay the SS scam, etc.

Tax cuts for companies that incorporate processes that lower emissions and / or use less resources.

Trade tariffs on "dirty" imports from countries that manufacture products resulting in higher emissions and / or waste of resources. No more China ****.

And then we get back to the personal level of responsibilities, which you don't want to hear about.

[tous]

So, we nominate a government, an entity that has a long history of acting in humanity's best interests -- not -- to pick winners and losers?

I concur with your hypothesis, amigo, just not with who makes the decisions.

As others have noted, once environmental stewardship becomes profitable, it will succeed.

Until then, we'll just be us, as we've always been.

[Moeman]

9 minutes ago, tous said:

So, we nominate a government, an entity that has a long history of acting in humanity's best interests -- not -- to pick winners and losers?

I concur with your hypothesis, amigo, just not with who makes the decisions.

As others have noted, once environmental stewardship becomes profitable, it will succeed.

Until then, we'll just be us, as we've always been.

Disagree. Rivers, air, dumps etc have been made better by .gov. Not everywhere or all the time, but do corporations always get things right? Yes, tons of money, but it is cheaper to not dump crap in the environment in the first place— overtime. Let’s see, if you are to sit in a garage with a car running, do you think one would live longer with a modern car or a 60’s car? This is like the fishery collapse. The fulcrum change can tip the whole thing  fast. 

[tous]

Again, I agree in theory, amigo, but when the professional liars impose what industry perceives as unfair and costly requirements, industry will find a way to cheat, buy the politicians or simply move the job to a more friendly place.

Technology will always out over bribes and lawyers.

Define the problem, send in the guys and gals with slide rules.

[racerford]

6 hours ago, Moeman said:

This... also have tidal energy as a focus, continue with solar and wind.  Those whom use the word fascist when in fact conservatism is the truth.  The White House report (& what does Gore have to do with that?) runs contrary to POTUS who seeks the roll backs on poison emmisions. Oh & BTW there is no such thing as clean coal. Mankind can do things. 

I vote that everyone that believes that global warming is primarily caused by man should stop emitting CO2. It is their environmental duty consistent with their beliefs.  The best way is to stop having children and stop breathing.  Any problem that exists will clear it self in a few years.  Either that or the environmentalists really don't believe what they are spouting.

Put up or shut up.

[Huaco Kid]

23 minutes ago, racerford said:

I vote that everyone that believes that global warming is primarily caused by man should stop emitting CO2. It is their environmental duty consistent with their beliefs.  The best way is to stop having children and stop breathing.  Any problem that exists will clear it self in a few years.  Either that or the environmentalists really don't believe what they are spouting.

Put up or shut up.

There are large organizations that advocate negative population growth, that the only way to save the planet is to have no humans.

I don't see any of them lining up and taking the obvious first step. 

[fortyofforty]

7 hours ago, gwalchmai said:

Large changes take time. We didn't get into this "crisis" overnight and it'll take a generation to turn this train. IMO, we as Conservatives need to take the initiative and conserve. It's one thing to point out Gore's hypocrisy, but it falls flat if I'm doing it while driving a gas guzzler. We can all make our own choices, and i try to do so. Frugality is its own reward but if enough of us make small contributions it'll add up.

OK, so again no answer.  I understand if you don't know.  I even understand if you know that nothing we do will have the slightest impact but don't want to admit it publicly.  But please don't expect everyone with a brain to go along with that.  If it makes you feel good about yourself, or lets you look good for your friends and neighbors, then do it.  However, virtue-signalling isn't a viable political, economic, or environmental policy.

[fortyofforty]

3 hours ago, crockett said:

Removal of tax cuts for families with kids. Those who decide not to have kids should get the tax cuts. Less people on earth, less waste and less emissions. But that ain't happening... who else is going to pay the SS scam, etc.

Tax cuts for companies that incorporate processes that lower emissions and / or use less resources.

Trade tariffs on "dirty" imports from countries that manufacture products resulting in higher emissions and / or waste of resources. No more China ****.

And then we get back to the personal level of responsibilities, which you don't want to hear about.

Not only do I hear about personal responsibility, I live it.  However, I am not stupid or deluded enough to believe that it has the slightest impact on climate change.  I refuse to stop driving my automobile, for example; I'm sure you refuse that suggestion, too, no matter how responsible you are personally.

At least you have some proposals that would influence behavior.  However, would any of those measures impact global climate?  If so, by how much?  So far, almost all projections of climate change have been wrong.  That's not a good track record.  Also, who is to decide what is the "right" climate for the planet?  In the interest of biodiversity, a warmer climate is actually preferable, for one small counter-example.

[fortyofforty]

41 minutes ago, racerford said:

I vote that everyone that believes that global warming is primarily caused by man should stop emitting CO2. It is their environmental duty consistent with their beliefs.  The best way is to stop having children and stop breathing.  Any problem that exists will clear it self in a few years.  Either that or the environmentalists really don't believe what they are spouting.

Put up or shut up.

They also need to follow a strict vegan diet.  No exceptions.  Every little bit helps, after all.

[fortyofforty]

6 hours ago, Huaco Kid said:

Outlaw all plastic, metal, electronic, and battery manufacturing.

If it's not made from bamboo and hemp, you can't have it.

I don't hear one person with the courage to tell the children they won't have their technology.  No phones.  No computers.  No hybrid cars.  None.  Save the planet.  Ban a phone.

[gwalchmai]

1 hour ago, fortyofforty said:

OK, so again no answer.  I understand if you don't know.  I even understand if you know that nothing we do will have the slightest impact but don't want to admit it publicly.  But please don't expect everyone with a brain to go along with that.  If it makes you feel good about yourself, or lets you look good for your friends and neighbors, then do it.  However, virtue-signalling isn't a viable political, economic, or environmental policy.

Well, what do you expect, answers to big questions on internet forums? Call me names if you like, but I'm still going to act locally to do what I can. That's about all I can do.

[fortyofforty]

26 minutes ago, gwalchmai said:

Well, what do you expect, answers to big questions on internet forums? Call me names if you like, but I'm still going to act locally to do what I can. That's about all I can do.

If you truly believe it will make a difference, then it's fine.  If you truly believe your neighbor who drives an SUV instead of a Prius is deliberately harming the planet, then too bad for you.  I will do what I can, but I refuse to be judgmental, like most Fascists and National Socialists.  I run my life.  I don't need to demand my government run yours.  I'd say buy whatever lightbulbs you want, but we lost that freedom during the Obama Administration.  Seriously.  ******* lightbulbs.  It would have been a joke if you said it fifteen years ago.

[fortyofforty]

Actually, I don't see anybody doing what he or she can.  I see people doing what makes them look and feel good, but not everything they can do.  Nobody is dumping their cell phones.  Nobody is refusing to use any batteries, especially rechargeable ones.  Nobody is going to bed when it gets dark and waking up at dawn.  Nobody is trashing the television, automobile, WiFi modem, toaster, and microwave.  For the uberrich fatcats of the environmental movement, the Leo DiCaprios and Al Gores, they won't even trash private jets and supermansions.  But, of course, they're doing what they can...

[gwalchmai]

1 hour ago, fortyofforty said:

If you truly believe it will make a difference, then it's fine.  If you truly believe your neighbor who drives an SUV instead of a Prius is deliberately harming the planet, then too bad for you.  I will do what I can, but I refuse to be judgmental, like most Fascists and National Socialists.  I run my life.  I don't need to demand my government run yours.  I'd say buy whatever lightbulbs you want, but we lost that freedom during the Obama Administration.  Seriously.  ****ing lightbulbs.  It would have been a joke if you said it fifteen years ago.

I truly believe that using LED bulbs and driving a fuel-efficient car saves me money by using less energy, and helps the environment a little at the same time. I believe that my neighbor has the right to make that choice for himself.

[gwalchmai]

1 hour ago, fortyofforty said:

Actually, I don't see anybody doing what he or she can.  I see people doing what makes them look and feel good, but not everything they can do.  Nobody is dumping their cell phones.  Nobody is refusing to use any batteries, especially rechargeable ones.  Nobody is going to bed when it gets dark and waking up at dawn.  Nobody is trashing the television, automobile, WiFi modem, toaster, and microwave.  For the uberrich fatcats of the environmental movement, the Leo DiCaprios and Al Gores, they won't even trash private jets and supermansions.  But, of course, they're doing what they can...

Yeah, OK, FoF, we lack your purity. ?