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I think that the Internet, which Providence has given us for the purpose of watching cat videos and arguing with strangers, is being perverted by the Foul Meteorologists to keep us all in a major state of panic and befuddlement, and to keep them in a position of power as our Advisors. That it gets cold in winter and sometimes snows should not put us in our current State.

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5 minutes ago, janice6 said:

It was warmer when I had to go to school in the 40's and the 50's.

'Cause we didn't have "wind chill" back then!

Now they call it "real feel". I guess the weather has feeling now. "Wind chill" sounds too harsh.

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7 minutes ago, DWARREN123 said:

Been in colder places and survived, not that hard to do if you are smart enough to pour piss out of a boot.

Are there directions printed on the bottom of the heel?  If not, my fear is that'd be asking a lot of many people these days...

-Pat

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I learned some of my life's best lessons from going winter camping. I had never been camping much of anywhere before then.

It all started one lazy Friday afternoon sitting around the pool in a place called Khamis Mushayt, Saudi Arabia. I was over there working and went to visit my buddy for some home made cocktails and he got a phone call from his buddy in the States. The camping trip was on, he was going to go winter camping in New Hampshire in the White Mountains in February, he and about 4 other hardy boys. So he asked me if I wanted to go, "IT WILL BE REALLY COOL, IT IS CLEAN CAMPING, NO DIRT, NO BUGS. YOU CAN SEE THE AURORA BOREALIS AT NIGHT AND THE STARS ARE REALLY BRIGHT." I was half lite and said sure. I'll go, I'm up for an adventure.

It started out not too bad, about 15*f no wind. The plan was to walk this trail and cover 5 peaks. I within the first 2 hours was soaking wet from sweat, and slipped and fell on ice and did a split pulling a groin muscle, so I was dragging a leg. Almost went hypothermic.  I had entirely too many clothes on and was carrying about 50lb of weight uphill. Well we got that squared away and did not cover near as much ground as we thought we might on day one, so we stopped for the evening, stomped out a campsight, pitched the tent and made some dinner, my first time of making water from snow. 6 of us slept in one tent making huge amounts of condensation. Everything was covered in frost the next morning.

Broke camp and headed out towards our destination. The wind got colder and sharper and temps began dropping. Went from a +15 to -11 in 4 hours. Stopped the trek, set up camp, due to wind really struggle to make the cook stove work, white gas burner type light weight. We might not have water to cook that night. So cold your hands would shake and spill the fuel you were trying to pour into the burner tank. It was so cold and snowing so hard that we decided it was best to stay put, so we laid there for several days waiting for the weather to break. the time was passed playing cribbage, a card game that I have no idea how it is played. I don't recall eating or drinking in that time period though I'm sure we just ate stuff like jerky and granola bars and such so that we did not have to do anything but melt snow for water. It was miserable and really cold.

Finally the weather broke, we packed up, re adjusted our plans and tried to make our way to a Ranger 3 sided shelter where we could build a fire and spend a night. We did a good bit of neat hiking that day, perhaps some ice climbing with ropes and ice axes and crampons. One guy liked to take pictures, he touched his camera to his nose and it froze to it, just like in A Christmas Story with the tongue to the flag poll. His nose turned black, frost bite, ouch. My feet were getting cold, my socks were getting wet so I took them off to dry out and put on my spare pair. They froze stiff as a frozen sock. We made the Ranger Station which was a 3 sided lean to with a floor. We set up the tent inside and slept on the floor,it got really cold that night and my feet would not warm up and were getting numb, bad sign. Was doing everything I could to warm them, not much was working. And since my feet were cold my whole body was too.

The next day the weather broke completely, it warmed up to above freezing and began raining. We had had enough, packed up and headed out of the woods downhill, damn near jogged out of the woods. What took us days to cover in walking up hill we covered in about 5 hours going down hill.

As miserable as the trip sounded, I was intrigued with the adventure and did a second trip to Lake Placid, NY. With better gear. It still had it's moments of miserable cold, but because I had better gear (smaller 2 man tent, better sleep pad, sleep bag rated to -25*F, nylon shell type jacket with hood) the discomfort was short lived. I could sleep in my bag naked and was completely warm. 

The part that was discomfort was the hike into the campsite across a frozen lake in deep snow, took forever and we were hung over. We got to a site, in the dark, other people were there and one of the guys in our group wanted to keep moving to another site on the other side of the lake. Uh no overruled. So the routine of unpacking setting up camp, melting snow for water, making food, etc began. The other part that I recall being a bit miserable was the day we decided to go climb Mt Marcie or Skylight. We got a late start, we walked for hours to get to the base of the mountain, climbed up and down, the weather warmed up just enough to rain on the way back to camp and it was dark. We were tired, hungry, dehydrated and wandering around in the dark in the rain. My buddy was there ahead of me and I was mad as hell that we did not plan things better. I'm standing there yelling at him and he looks at me and says"SHUT UP, GO PUT SOME DRY CLOTHES ON, AND HELP ME MAKE SOME FOOD AND WATER. EVERYONE IS IN THE SAME CONDITION AS YOU, SO STOP BITCHING AND DO SOMETHING TO IMPROVE THE CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE GATHER FIRE WOOD." He was 100% right, I did what he said to do, my outlook changed 100% once I got out of my wet clothes, and got something to drink. Food tasted much better, it was just an amazing transformation from miserable to comfort.

 

 

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Go to the desert then you can die from the heat during the day and from the cold at night.  Then, just for a kicker, camp in a wash when it rains and you can drown (the most common cause of death in the desert).

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/did-you-know-that-more-people-drown-in-deserts-than-die-from-dehydration.html

 

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Flash Floods

Flash floods in deserts, caused by torrential rains high up on the mountains, are also a cause of numerous deaths by drowning. Without any sign, gushes of water flow down the dry river beds, engulfing all that comes in their paths. For example, in 2006, nearly 130 people perished in the Rajasthan, India region in flash floods induced by torrential rains in the Thar Desert. As recently as September of 2015, 18 people died in desert flash floods near the Utah-Arizona border in the United States.

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, minervadoe said:

Go to the desert then you can die from the heat during the day and from the cold at night.  Then, just for a kicker, camp in a wash when it rains and you can drown (the most common cause of death in the desert).

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/did-you-know-that-more-people-drown-in-deserts-than-die-from-dehydration.html

 

 

 

I was in Albuquerque on business one time when they had a hell of a rain.  It was extraordinary.  Water ran downhill and Albuquerque is uphill, so the water would run down the street so fast that it couldn't make the corner, and went out into a wide arc  before turning down the intersecting street. 

It was funny for us to see water 6 inches deep shooting down the street so fast, that we could stand in the dry gutter and watch it turn the corner around us.  That night a VW bug was washed into a Arroyo and they found it rolled into a ball and the driver was naked, he last his clothes to torrent also.

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1 hour ago, Huaco Kid said:

I was in upstate MN,  in some remote store / bar / outfitters and in a display on the counter, you could buy little packets of replacement cribbage pegs.  I've never seen that anywhere else.

I love those little bars in Northern Minnesota. Friendly people, cheap drinks and meat and gun raffles. Oh...and lots off pull tabs. I don't usually gamble but I will up there because the proceeds go to a local charity in town.

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1 hour ago, janice6 said:

I was in Albuquerque one business one time when they had a hell of a rain.  It was extraordinary.  Water ran downhill and Albuquerque is uphill, so the water would run down the street so fast that it couldn't make the corner, and went out into a wide arc  before turning down the intersecting street. 

It was funny for us to see water 6 inches deep shooting down the street so fast, that we could stand in the dry gutter and watch it turn the corner around us.  That night a VW bug was washed into a Arroyo and they found it rolled into a ball and the driver was naked, he last his clothes to torrent also.

I lived in San Diego for a couple of years.  They get these sudden torrential downpours and the water runs off of the mesas like you are describing.  I was on one street where after rainfall, the storm drains at the bottom of the hill had a stream of water shooting six feet into the air.  A group I used to go shooting in the desert with, used to camp in a wash because it was shady.  ?‍♂️

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Attention all Americans and all ships at sea!

Here in Frostbite Falls, the morning weathermen are hyperventilating because the National Weather Service has posted a "Winter storm warning!"

It begins at 4PM. Tomorrow. That's 36 hours! I've got far too many things to worry about to plan that far ahead! Because it's gonna snow. In late January. In Maine.

I need to find a job so I can have better stuff to bitch about. Frostbite Falls signing off.

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13 hours ago, refugeepj said:

gotta die of something.

no one gets out alive.

 

I have heard that a lot.  Only in an occupation with a high mortality rate.  After that, the only time I heard it was from an old overweight Mission Support Specialist that had diabetes and ate sugar like it was going out of style.  She also called it her "retirement plan."

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