Confederate Colors

[Jammersix]

I was asked why I oppose confederate colors, and the answer is simple.

It means that the person displaying it does not love this country, and, in fact, is in favor of breaking away from it, and even willing to commit treason to do so.

It's a symbol of treason against the U.S., and it's that simple.

The rest, the racism, the hatred, is all small stuff. It's so common it doesn't make it onto the list when treason is around.

So there you go, your answer. Displaying confederate colors is in the same league as stepping on or burning the national colors.

[Dric902]

40 minutes ago, Jammersix said:

I was asked why I oppose confederate colors, and the answer is simple.

It means that the person displaying it does not love this country, and, in fact, is in favor of breaking away from it, and even willing to commit treason to do so.

It's a symbol of treason against the U.S., and it's that simple.

The rest, the racism, the hatred, is all small stuff. It's so common it doesn't make it onto the list when treason is around.

So there you go, your answer. Displaying confederate colors is in the same league as stepping on or burning the national colors.

That actually makes sense. 

Even for a lib

 

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[BamaBud]

Bullshit.

You, obviously don't know history.

[SC Tiger]

Is this the OP? 

 

I'm kidding - but when I see anti-Confederate flag rants in random places this is the video I think of.  This was the craziest thing I have ever seen regarding a confederate flag.

 

The flag (actually a rug) was just hanging there.  The store (which sold closeout items that they buy in bulk) was just selling it.  It was in Oregon so they probably barely knew what the hell it was.

Now - the employees were dicks and were (and should have been) fired for how they talked to her but you want the textbook definition of a snowflake?  Here ya go.

She lost her **** about a rug hanging on a wall.  An inanimate object.  That can't hurt anyone - unless it falls on them I guess.

Edited January 22, 2019 by SC Tiger

[SC Tiger]

I wonder how many people would be triggered by my wife's choices of interior colors for our house?

Living room - grey

Dining room - different grey

Hall - still different grey.

 

I asked her when the house was planning to secede from the Union.  It took her a minute to figure it out.....

[SC Tiger]

2 hours ago, Jammersix said:

I was asked why I oppose confederate colors, and the answer is simple.

It means that the person displaying it does not love this country, and, in fact, is in favor of breaking away from it, and even willing to commit treason to do so.

It's a symbol of treason against the U.S., and it's that simple.

The rest, the racism, the hatred, is all small stuff. It's so common it doesn't make it onto the list when treason is around.

So there you go, your answer. Displaying confederate colors is in the same league as stepping on or burning the national colors.

A lot of the treason bit comes down to the idea of Federal Nullification - the concept that a state can override Federal law within it's borders.  

This is the same concept that is often used to defend sanctuary cities refusing to enforce Federal immigration laws.

Edited January 22, 2019 by SC Tiger

[Jammersix]

You want straight-up, hardcore unpatriotic beliefs, look for the rebel flag.

There's an enormous difference between refusing to enforce laws and armed, organized civil war.

Edited January 22, 2019 by Jammersix

[pipedreams]

I understand your point but consider the following.

What about immigrants displaying the flag of another nation?

Are we erasing history by not seeing that flag and destroying statues?

When I look at the below are we any better that ISIS when wiping out history?

 

[Jammersix]

There is exactly one statue to German officers during World War II, and that one is for Operation Valkyrie-- the failed plot to assassinate Adolf Hitler.

Yet somehow, we manage to remember the history of World War II. The idea that a statue or a symbol is the same as history is ridiculous.

A statue to treason? No, I think not.

[Dog Soldier]

Why is the Left attempting to destroy the history of America? We became a Sovereign Nation by defeating the Monarchs of England. England was the provider of slaves to America foe a century. We have not Banned the Union Jack.  The Democrat Party was the defender of the slave holders. Why not Ban the Democrat Party. And the Battle Flag of Virginia was not the official Flag of the CSA. 

 

 

[Jammersix]

Nobody is destroying any history. Straw man argument.

We're simply (finally) acknowledging that the confederate states were traitors, and we're finally refusing to honor treason, traitors, and slavery.

[autogeddon]

Just as the Left are TRAITORS to the USA! They should be hanged for treason.

[Dog Soldier]

4 hours ago, Jammersix said:

Nobody is destroying any history. Straw man argument.

We're simply (finally) acknowledging that the confederate states were traitors, and we're finally refusing to honor treason, traitors, and slavery.

Strawman ?  The Democrat Party then was the core of the Tyranny.  Why not propose the dissolution of that Party?  The Republican Party was formed as the Abolitionist Party to end slavery.  The Democrats committed the treasonous acts that you condemn? They also organized and supported the KKK until recent history. 

[Jammersix]

That's nice, dear. I don't care what party the traitors were, because that doesn't matter, either.

[SC Tiger]

9 hours ago, Dog Soldier said:

Strawman ?  The Democrat Party then was the core of the Tyranny.  Why not propose the dissolution of that Party?  The Republican Party was formed as the Abolitionist Party to end slavery.  The Democrats committed the treasonous acts that you condemn? They also organized and supported the KKK until recent history. 

And the NRA was one of the first organizations (the first I think) to lobby for African-Americans to own firearms to defend themselves.

I have Confederate ancestors.  I'm very proud of them and how they fought.  But I also realize that the cause they fought for was flawed.  Slavery wasn't the whole issue, but it was part of it and it was the flawed part.

You can do both.  This entire nation has flawed parts in it's past.  Ask these guys:

 

America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth, and the greatest that there has ever been.  But perfect - it ain't.  

It should also be noted that slavery existed after the Civil war in states that did not secede.  It took a second act to eliminate it, after the fact.

Edited January 23, 2019 by SC Tiger

[Dog Soldier]

6 hours ago, Jammersix said:

That's nice, dear. I don't care what party the traitors were, because that doesn't matter, either.

It does matter.  When you condemn the History of a Nation and want to bury that history in parts it does matter.  The Far Left wants to remove the foundation of American Democracy and it's successes.  They will then offer a new more Socialistic future. We see this with the rise of rabid socialist reconstruction. The pending attacks will be against the Founding Fathers many of which were slave owners. This whole issue is being used to replace the Constitution. 

[Dric902]

1 hour ago, SC Tiger said:

You can do both.  This entire nation has flawed parts in it's past.  Ask these guys:

 

Those were Apache and they were raiders and killers. Nobody liked them, they were the Red Trash of the times.

Learn you history, then ask these guys. They’re still around.

Eastern Cherokee Nation

 

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[SC Tiger]

1 minute ago, Dric902 said:

Those were Apache and they were raiders and killers. Nobody liked them, they were the Red Trash of the times.

Learn you history, then ask these guys. They’re still around.

Eastern Cherokee Nation

 

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I just snagged a picture of some Native Americans.  I'm familiar with the Eastern Band of the Cherokee as I live not too far from the reservation (a couple of hours drive).  And they were still here first.

[Dric902]

“Some Native Americans”

are the French different than the Germans? Are the Swiss different than the English?

if I looked up a pic of “Europeans” what would show up?

dont quote it if you don’t know it

 

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[Dog Soldier]

The Cherokee Tribes married the French, English, Germans and Scotch Irish freely. John Ross a mixed race leader of the tribes was highly respected as was the family of Major Ridge. The migration of populations across the Globe was in a flux of constant change. No one group can prove they were first. Many can prove they were the first to introduce a civil society. 

[Dric902]

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/99-01-02-00897

it didn’t last long. When gold was found in the Carolinas they were restricted from owning it.

by the time Andrew Jackson came around they were in stockade before the Trail of Tears.

remember the Jackson quote that the right brags about “the Supreme Court has made it ruling, now let them enforce it”

it was a ruling to made my people......people. 

American Indians were specifically excluded from the Emancipation Proclamation, and weren’t “human beings” until the Indian Citizen Act of 1924

every American Indian that fought in WWI wasn’t a person.

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Edited January 23, 2019 by Dric902

[SC Tiger]

1 hour ago, Dric902 said:

“Some Native Americans”

are the French different than the Germans? Are the Swiss different than the English?

if I looked up a pic of “Europeans” what would show up?

dont quote it if you don’t know it

 

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After reading your post on the Covington incident I see why you went off on this a bit and I do apologize.  I meant no offense.

I was simply trying to show that while the Confederacy was certainly flawed, the United States is far from lilly-white in it's history.  The dealings with the Native Americans are probably the most egregious, though Slavery did start and expand under the US flag. 

Same could be said for any other country really.

We have to take the good with the bad with any nation's history.

[Dog Soldier]

11 minutes ago, SC Tiger said:

After reading your post on the Covington incident I see why you went off on this a bit and I do apologize.  I meant no offense.

I was simply trying to show that while the Confederacy was certainly flawed, the United States is far from lilly-white in it's history.  The dealings with the Native Americans are probably the most egregious, though Slavery did start and expand under the US flag. 

Same could be said for any other country really.

We have to take the good with the bad with any nation's history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States

[SC Tiger]

As a side note, this was the last Confederate general to surrender:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand_Watie

[Dric902]

35 minutes ago, SC Tiger said:

After reading your post on the Covington incident I see why you went off on this a bit and I do apologize.  I meant no offense.

I was simply trying to show that while the Confederacy was certainly flawed, the United States is far from lilly-white in it's history.  The dealings with the Native Americans are probably the most egregious, though Slavery did start and expand under the US flag. 

Same could be said for any other country really.

We have to take the good with the bad with any nation's history.

The argument could be made that the Confederacy was committing treason.

the argument could be made that the Confederacy was exercising its Constitutional Rights under the 10th Amendment.

Antonin Scalia said it well. The Civil War clearly showed that the States have no right to secede.

If in 2065 Alaska, California, Hawaii, or Texas (just to consider some examples) assert a right to secede, the argument that “in 1865, the victorious Union government concluded that no state has a right to secede in opposition to the wishes of the Union, so therefore you lack such a right” will have precisely the weight that the Americans of 2065 will choose to give it — which should be very little. 

You can say that it was “written by the victors” but it was written.

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Edited January 23, 2019 by Dric902