Who shot JFK?

[ARP]

Was listening to a replay of Wilkow Majority this morning, it was the last show for the year and it was wide open ask anything show. Wilkow was recounting a story about being in Dallas at the Book Repository and being able to tour the place and get an inside look at where Kennedy was shot. Apparently there was a bunch of media types who were on the tour at the time and there was a guy there that proffered up and interesting theory on what happened.

He handed Wilkow a b&w picture of the tunnel right before the area where Kennedy was shot and there was 2 kids standing there. The guy with the picture was one of the kids and he stated that he was injured by bullet fragments from a bullet that hit the ground near him and splintered, cutting his face. He said the FBI came and cut out the concrete and took it away as evidence. Then he offered up the story. He said that the night before the assassination, the SS were out drinking heavily and the next day one of them called off sick so there was a replacement SS guy working in place of a SS regular guy. In the follow car was an early AR (AR came out in '57, this is now '63?) and the replacement SS guy was not trained on the weapon, when the shooting started, he grabbed that weapon and being unfamiliar ND'ed it striking Kennedy. Guy says, watch the film and see the reaction. I find it a compelling story, and would go a looooong way in explaining the shroud of secrecy that remains on the JFK assassination today.

[AK_Stick]

It’s a poor theory. 

 

It also doesnt explain Oswald, or the wounds from the rifle he was shooting. 

[TBO]

 

[blackjack]

In early on a Christmas morn while checking various forums to get awake before starting on making the traditional big family breakfast, I think I've arrived at a time in life where I'll just accept Oswald as the "lone shooter" while retaining a full portion of skepticism about the skullduggery by those who would have us pay no attention to "the man behind the curtain." I say this as having been an 8-year-old third-grader in 1963 and reading multiple stories, theories, and "I was there" accounts in the intervening years, including the one presented to start the thread. I've also physically been to Dealey Plaza but haven't gone to "the window" in the former school book depository building. 

Closing to say this has to be the oddest Christmas post I've ever participated in...

[gwalchmai]

Read Bugliosi's book. He makes a very good case for "lone Oswald".

But just to go into one of his points, if we accept the "Mattel theory" we have to abandon the others (CIA, Cubans, mob, Glen Campbell's dad, etc.) because they are too far-fetched to exist together. And if they're too far-fetched to exist together they're too far-fetched to exist alone.

[Dog Soldier]

Jesse James was never killed, Elvis Presley lives on.  It is difficult for many to accept that famous or infamous people can die.  Childhood icons live on for centuries. I visited the Texas School Book Depository 30 years ago. I stood by that window and looked down on Dealey Plaza. 

As a life long rifleman it amazed me how close the target was. It would be possible for an inaccurate rifle to possible wound and kill at the this short range. Did Oswald commit this crime? I have no idea, but we know the results of the shooting. 

[johnbt]

Q: Do you know why the CIA never killed Castro?

A: They couldn't get him to go to Dallas.

 

[ARP]

5 hours ago, AK_Stick said:

It’s a poor theory. 

 

It also doesnt explain Oswald, or the wounds from the rifle he was shooting. 

Oh it is a given that Oswald was a shooter, we have always heard of the second shooter from the grassy knoll which was 15 yards away. Now THAT part of it just not true, this was the first time I ever heard of the account that it was a stand in SS guy unfamiliar and untrained on the AR platform that had an ND that was partially responsible for the death of Kennedy. To this day, the full investigation has not been released. I think every POTUS gets a look at the full report and sees the damage that could be done to the nation's psyche and sees no advantage to throwing that party under the bus so the story remains classified.

Edited December 25, 2018 by ARP

[Dric902]

Obviously it was the

illuminatimafiacommunistcubanLBJHooverrussianalienTedCruzDad connection

that set up Oswald’s brainwashed clone with an ineffective weapon so they could use the latest hi tech shooting system from a distance with Predator like camo and had secret contacts in the Dallas PD to maintain Oswald in custody to keep him from the feds long enough to have CIA contact Ruby kill him with a belly shot from a snubby.

 

see, simple

 

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Edited December 25, 2018 by Dric902

[Brown Hawk]

13 minutes ago, Dric902 said:

Obviously it was the

illuminatimafiacommunistcubanLBJHooverrussianalienTedCruzDad connection

that set up Oswald’s brainwashed clone with an ineffective weapon so they could use the latest hi tech shooting system from a distance with Predator like camo and had secret contacts in the Dallas PD to maintain Oswald in custody to keep him from the feds long enough to have CIA contact Ruby kill him with a belly shot from a snubby.

 

see, simple

Well, I’m glad somebody finally is able to give a clear explanation.  

Hawk 

[Steelharp]

You wouldn't believe me if I told you.

[Dric902]

56 minutes ago, Steelharp said:

You wouldn't believe me if I told you.

You mean the particle beam strike from orbit by order of the Bush cabal under the influence of the globalist elite.......maybe

 

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[Steelharp]

2 minutes ago, Dric902 said:

You mean the particle beam strike from orbit by order of the Bush cabal under the influence of the globalist elite.......maybe

 

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No. Our neighbor that married one of the involved. Long story.

[Al Czervik]

Can anyone account for J.R. Ewing's whereabouts at the time?  I think he did it.

[Lazy R]

21 minutes ago, Steelharp said:

No. Our neighbor that married one of the involved. Long story.

I'm listening.

[Moeman]

Ralphie with his red Ryder bb gun

[Dric902]

19 minutes ago, Moeman said:

Ralphie with his red Ryder bb gun

That’s silly, he didn’t get shot in the eye

 

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[Steelharp]

3 hours ago, Lazy R said:

I'm listening.

We had a neighbor that was a divorced schoolteacher with 2 teenage sons. Sweet lady. She fell head over heels for this guy from Texas. She came over to tell us about it and that she and her sons were moving to Texas. We wished her well, etc.

A year or so later, late one night, there's a knock on the door. It's her and her 2 boys. She's in panic mode. She doesn't know where to go or what to do, said she found out the guy was involved in the Kennedy assassination. She found papers in his house, and she was running. Told us we would never believe it, but it was religiously motivated because he was Catholic.

We told her that was crazy sounding, but she started naming people. We told her she couldn't stay with us, she left.

Two days later, her older son was killed in a car accident up in town. 15 mph, and his head was bashed in. She and her younger son disappeared, we never heard another thing.

[Swampfox762]

Have any of you people ever seen the TV documentary from back in the 80's called "The men who shot John Kennedy" I think it was?

There was a military guy filming kennedy going by, and after the shot by the guy called "The bag man" a guy dressed up as a cop but with tennis shoes on, came up to the guy and tried to confiscate his camera.  He told him No, but relented and gave him the film.  He deployed to Alaska 2 days later, and they actually went up there and interviewed him.  Stunning interview!!  Cut to the chase, according to the documentary, Kennedy was shot by a second Sicilian mafia assaissn on the grassy Knoll that was known for his 22 caliber exploding bullet.  I've watched that Zapruda Video probably a hundred times, and I swear to god, it looks like kennedy gets hit from the front when his forehead explodes.  The first shot from oswald, hit kennedy in the throat then proceeded to the front seat where it struck Gov. Connely in the back.

We'll never know, but I'll never forget that documentary.  It even went so far as to show where the guy hid the gun after he shot Kennedy with the exploding .22 bullet...in a railroad switching box...AND, the mafia guy was paid in Heroin.  Damnit I wish I could find that documentary again.... 

[MtnBiker]

I still believe this entire thing has more mystery than it deserves.  I was in Dallas years ago on business.  I had some downtime so I visited the library, grassy knoll, etc.  It happened to be in the vicinity of a BBQ joint I wanted to try.

IMHO, after viewing the actual site; any well trained deer hunter could have made that shot.  

[Dric902]

7 minutes ago, Swampfox762 said:

Have any of you people ever seen the TV documentary from back in the 80's called "The men who shot John Kennedy" I think it was?

There was a military guy filming kennedy going by, and after the shot by the guy called "The bag man" a guy dressed up as a cop but with tennis shoes on, came up to the guy and tried to confiscate his camera.  He told him No, but relented and gave him the film.  He deployed to Alaska 2 days later, and they actually went up there and interviewed him.  Stunning interview!!  Cut to the chase, according to the documentary, Kennedy was shot by a second Sicilian mafia assaissn on the grassy Knoll that was known for his 22 caliber exploding bullet.  I've watched that Zapruda Video probably a hundred times, and I swear to god, it looks like kennedy gets hit from the front when his forehead explodes.  The first shot from oswald, hit kennedy in the throat then proceeded to the front seat where it struck Gov. Connely in the back.

We'll never know, but I'll never forget that documentary.  It even went so far as to show where the guy hid the gun after he shot Kennedy with the exploding .22 bullet...in a railroad switching box...AND, the mafia guy was paid in Heroin.  Damnit I wish I could find that documentary again.... 

Damn....I knew it

 

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[fortyofforty]

17 minutes ago, MtnBiker said:

I still believe this entire thing has more mystery than it deserves.  I was in Dallas years ago on business.  I had some downtime so I visited the library, grassy knoll, etc.  It happened to be in the vicinity of a BBQ joint I wanted to try.

IMHO, after viewing the actual site; any well trained deer hunter could have made that shot.  

Let alone a Marine rifleman.  We'll never know what training he may have gotten while behind the Iron Curtain, and those secrets will likely never be revealed, no matter what government is in control in Moscow.

[Dric902]

He missed one of three

[KWalrad]

As a former Infantry rifleman that has lived in Dallas for the past twenty-one years, and visited Dealey Plaza, the book depository, and the grassy knoll many times, I attest to the Bubba Ho-tep theory. Kennedy isn't really dead. He's living in an old folks home with Elvis as a roommate, trying to keep a mummy from sucking his soul out through his *******. (And by "*******" I mean his rectum, not Al Gore.)

 

Back... and to the left.

Back... and to the left.

[gwalchmai]

11 hours ago, Swampfox762 said:

Have any of you people ever seen the TV documentary from back in the 80's called "The men who shot John Kennedy" I think it was?

There was a military guy filming kennedy going by, and after the shot by the guy called "The bag man" a guy dressed up as a cop but with tennis shoes on, came up to the guy and tried to confiscate his camera.  He told him No, but relented and gave him the film.  He deployed to Alaska 2 days later, and they actually went up there and interviewed him.  Stunning interview!!  Cut to the chase, according to the documentary, Kennedy was shot by a second Sicilian mafia assaissn on the grassy Knoll that was known for his 22 caliber exploding bullet.  I've watched that Zapruda Video probably a hundred times, and I swear to god, it looks like kennedy gets hit from the front when his forehead explodes.  The first shot from oswald, hit kennedy in the throat then proceeded to the front seat where it struck Gov. Connely in the back.

We'll never know, but I'll never forget that documentary.  It even went so far as to show where the guy hid the gun after he shot Kennedy with the exploding .22 bullet...in a railroad switching box...AND, the mafia guy was paid in Heroin.  Damnit I wish I could find that documentary again.... 

I'm going to pick on your post for a sec to illustrate a point. Please understand that it's not personal as I think you're a very intelligent poster and great guy.

Abraham Zapruder was a Dallas businessman who filmed the JFK assassination. He was interviewed on Dallas TV afterwards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Zapruder#Television_interview

During the interview the reporter managed to institutionalize the mispronunciation and thus the misspelling of Zapruder's name. The results are still with us today. If we multiply this little event by the bazillions of interviews, new reports, articles, and forum posts which have followed it's no wonder we're still confused about what happened that day. It is, in fact, a wonder we can order a sandwich.