Race Issues Considering Moving

[Moshe]

I like my little town because I have lived here the longest, but the anti-Semitism is getting out of control.  Three places I know I can go and none of them are appealing.  Florida, somewhere around Hollywood.  The problem is houses are way out of my league.  Then their is NY, but I don't like their gun laws.  Then their is Michigan.  Either way I would be freezing my tuchus off.  This would make my wife happy because they are SDA Jewish congregations.  The SDA's have a spotty track record when it comes to Jewish people.  In Germany, they partnered with Hitler, the Pope, in the extermination of Jews, to CYA their own comfortable existences.  You have this Walter Veith character in Germany in trouble, and rightly so, for saying it was a good thing that 55 million Jews were exterminated because now they can all be gathered in one place?  Germany, still a bit sensitive about being one of the largest fomenters of genocide in world history, took offense to that, so he went underground to his fan list.  I grow tired to listening to stupid things in Church like the Jews in Israel are now worshiping on Sunday.  Five minutes on google demonstrates, that the Jewish people in Israel simply wanted to have a weekend like America.  It had nothing to do with worship.  The weekend concept is a uniquely American concept.  Then I have to listen to lesson studies how the Jews were all bad people.  Arrogant people who claim that they were third generation SDA, that should have been told what Yehohanan the Baptist told the Pharisees. 

I could keep going, but it only gets worse.  My wife thinks if I go to Messianic Group, and not an SDA group, I am going "down a dark path."  I like having options and don't like being trapped.

[RenoF250]

What sort of anti-semitism?  I am afraid I am skeptical because I have never seen it.

[gwalchmai]

Uncle Leo, is that you?

[PBCounty]

Anti-Semitism is a thing in the U.S.?  Really?  Yeah the Jews are so downtrodden.  Anyway...

 

You're not missing anything in Hollywood, FL.  It's pretty much either a retirement town out east or a filthy, barely English speaking town of 1950's houses, crab grass and old shopping centers out west.  It's kind of a forgotten part of the Tri-County area, unless you're visiting grandma at her affordable 1960's built "condo" (old ass apartment with terrazzo floors and a window shaker).    

[Moshe]

22 minutes ago, RenoF250 said:

What sort of anti-semitism?  I am afraid I am skeptical because I have never seen it.

How lucky you are.  Either that or you are like my Shiksa wife who has never faced a day of discrimination in her life.

[kerbie18]

2 minutes ago, Moshe said:

How lucky you are.  Either that or you are like my Shiksa wife who has never faced a day of discrimination in her life.

What is SDA? Or Shiksa? Anyway, sorry to hear of your troubles.

[RenoF250]

4 minutes ago, Moshe said:

How lucky you are.  Either that or you are like my Shiksa wife who has never faced a day of discrimination in her life.

So no examples?

[Brown Hawk]

1 hour ago, kerbie18 said:

What is SDA? Or Shiksa? Anyway, sorry to hear of your troubles.

SDA - Seventh Day Adventist 

Shiksa - Gentile woman married to a Jewish man

ETA Sorry, I hit the wrong button.

Messianic Jews are Christians who are of Jewish Heritage, and wish to continue with many of their traditions  Moshe can correct me if I am wrong.  

The most visible anti-semitism is witnessed by those Jews who are most observant of those traditions.  An example would be Ben Shiparo of the Daily Wire.  He generally receives the most anti-Semitic messages on the internet.  

Hawk 

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[SC Tiger]

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[Moshe]

4 hours ago, kerbie18 said:

What is SDA? Or Shiksa? Anyway, sorry to hear of your troubles.

She is a Shiksa.  The SDA as I have explained has a checkered history with being complicit with Hitler.  Of course they want to apologize for it officially,  but not so much actually.  They spread every noxious rumor that is untrue about Jews.  For instance, the bald face lie that Jews are worshiping on Sunday now.  Five minutes on the internet shows they just want a weekend like the United States, rather than just the Shabbat off.  Nothing more, nothing less.  All of sudden, people spread a rumor about Jews that are untrue and nasty.  All the Lesson Studies are about how they have co-opted Judaism.  Hashem does not recall his blessings.   The Jews are still Hashem's people.  I don't look down on other Jews.  I have chosen Yeshua as my Hoseana  (The one who saves).  In fact I have had pleasant conversations with fellow Jewish people as they came in chat looking for a fight.  I choose not to fight with my own.  I simply said, do as your conscience tells you and go in peace, as for us, we will worship Yeshua on the Shabbat.  It turned anger into a pleasant conversation and we wished each other Shalom. 

Then you have idiots like Walter Veith that people follow like lost puppy dogs, who is in trouble in Germany for saying that it was good that 55 million Jews were exterminated, now they are all in one place.  So, a group of Goyim that have not completely let go of the hatred of WWII, will even go to the point of violence to prove their "superiority".  I just want to be around people like me, to find a place of peace, and not constantly being denigrated.

Can you imagine the outrage if someone got up constantly and told a black congregation that they bore the mark of Cain, and they commit seventy percent of the crime in the United States, and they are too stupid to do anything for themselves and can't even manage a country like Liberia?  There would be all kinds of outrage. 

Another little secret, there is a Black Conference, because they don't want to integrate, and have their own university.  There is no Jewish Conference nor university.  Frankly, the Jewish people have suffered far more.

I have "Conservative Termite" to mock Luis Farakhan like we used to mock Hitler, since he said we are all termites that need to be exterminated.  Imagine the outrage if I said, I was going to snipe Luis Farakhan publically.  I guarantee it would be greater.

I stopped going to a local Church altogether because their teenage daughter told my two little children at the time they should be exterminated in a gas chamber.  I raised a stink about it, and the father and daughter made a surprise visit to my house saying how it was okay to say such things, because my children annoyed his daughter. 

What if I told them, they should be lynched from a tree, and tried to justify that as okay?  That wouldn't fly.  But, this was considered acceptable.

 

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[Moshe]

3 hours ago, Brown Hawk said:

SDA - Seventh Day Adventist 

Shiksa - Gentile woman married to a Jewish man

ETA Sorry, I hit the wrong button.

Messianic Jews are Christians who are of Jewish Heritage, and wish to continue with many of their traditions  Moshe can correct me if I am wrong.  

The most visible anti-semitism is witnessed by those Jews who are most observant of those traditions.  An example would be Ben Shiparo of the Daily Wire.  He generally receives the most anti-Semitic messages on the internet.  

Hawk 

Be proud of who you are, it happens.  My wife says, shave your beard, pretend to be like everyone else.  I told her, would you give the same advice to our niece who is only 1/4th black, with a blonde afro?  Just straighten your hair, and pretend to be white?

[TBO]

6 hours ago, kerbie18 said:

What is SDA? Or Shiksa? Anyway, sorry to hear of your troubles.

 

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[Borg warner]

You can either move to an area where there are a lot of Jewish people like New York or Los Angeles or parts of Florida where people are more knowledgeable about Jewish culture an therefore more accepting  or you can move to an area where there are very few Jewish people and where people don't know anything about Jewish culture and therefore have fewer pre-conceived notions involving negative stereotypes.

I lived in Los Angeles from the time I was 12 until I was about 50 and grew up around Jewish people and had many close friends who were Jewish some of whom I am still close friends with today. I also worked for a man for 30 years who's mother was Jewish, and had many Jewish relatives. Now I live in Eastern Washington where there are very few Jewish people and there is much less anti-Semitism here than in a big city where there were more people who are Jewish.  Not being Jewish myself I never had anti-Semitism directed at me but I heard the way some people talked and how they acted towards others and I've never heard any of that where I live now because people here have no awareness of who or what Jewish people are.

So in general terms it's better to live in someplace like Idaho or Wyoming than it is to live in NYC or L.A. not to mention that places like that are under Leftist totalitarian control. But specific to your situation, from what you've said, it sounds like most of the anti-Semitism that you're experiencing is coming from the SDA church and probably what you need to find is somewhere where there's an SDA congregation that's more accepting of Jews and Judaism where you don't have to listen to lesson studies about  how the Jews were all bad people. 

[kerbie18]

3 hours ago, Moshe said:

Be proud of who you are, it happens.  My wife says, shave your beard, pretend to be like everyone else.  I told her, would you give the same advice to our niece who is only 1/4th black, with a blonde afro?  Just straighten your hair, and pretend to be white?

Your experience with SDA churches is different than mine. My kids attend an SDA (I didn't catch the appreviation before) school, and I haven't heard one ill word spoken of Jews. They occasionally even do activities with the local Jewish community center.

Anyway, I'm sorry you've had to put up with this crap.

[kerbie18]

Oh, and also, do you have any references on SDA collusion during WW2?

I'm not doubting you. I have a mother in law I'd love to share that with....

[crockett]

Miami Beach has a strong Jewish community as well. They are long established and liked. A house on Normandy Isle will be at least $450k for something small and old, the other islands will be close to $1M and much more. Old condos start at $250k, new condos $400k. That being said, I also don't recall any anti-semitism, and I got around quite a bit. My company has been doing business with Orthodox Jews in NY a lot. I have to pull it up but I'd even say that we sold most product through them.

[holyjohnson]

so freeze you`r ass off or deal with anti-Semites?

 

you know you can buy long underwear right?

 

Minneapolis actually has a large Jewish Population,many SDA churches.

 

 

seriously though,sorry for your troubles.

[DWARREN123]

Be who you are!

I believe/trust in GOD, all others pay cash!

[Airmotive]

I gotta admit, I’m a bit torn on this one.

If instead of Jewish, he was a naturalized Somalian but wanted things to be more like his home in Somalia... Didn’t want to live near the Ethiopian immigrants, have a Kenyan president or send his daughters to school...y’all wouldn’t be nearly so sympathetic.

Bear your burden and carry on.

[kerbie18]

4 hours ago, Airmotive said:

I gotta admit, I’m a bit torn on this one.

If instead of Jewish, he was a naturalized Somalian but wanted things to be more like his home in Somalia... Didn’t want to live near the Ethiopian immigrants, have a Kenyan president or send his daughters to school...y’all wouldn’t be nearly so sympathetic.

Bear your burden and carry on.

Just my personal opinion, but I'd feel a hell of a lot safer with a Jewish neighbor than some of the Somali immigrants I've met. But, I guess that's beside the point.

[JTMac]

5 hours ago, Airmotive said:

I gotta admit, I’m a bit torn on this one.

If instead of Jewish, he was a naturalized Somalian but wanted things to be more like his home in Somalia... Didn’t want to live near the Ethiopian immigrants, have a Kenyan president or send his daughters to school...y’all wouldn’t be nearly so sympathetic.

Bear your burden and carry on.

This is not someone wanting to come here and change the culture to suit him.

This is someone who is here and just wants to not be treated differently because of his background.  That he wants to ideally be somewhere that he can also keep his private customs is irrelevant, because that is private and expects nothing of the people around them.

 

[PNWguy]

17 hours ago, Borg warner said:

You can either move to an area where there are a lot of Jewish people like New York or Los Angeles or parts of Florida where people are more knowledgeable about Jewish culture an therefore more accepting  or you can move to an area where there are very few Jewish people and where people don't know anything about Jewish culture and therefore have fewer pre-conceived notions involving negative stereotypes.

I lived in Los Angeles from the time I was 12 until I was about 50 and grew up around Jewish people and had many close friends who were Jewish some of whom I am still close friends with today. I also worked for a man for 30 years who's mother was Jewish, and had many Jewish relatives. Now I live in Eastern Washington where there are very few Jewish people and there is much less anti-Semitism here than in a big city where there were more people who are Jewish.  Not being Jewish myself I never had anti-Semitism directed at me but I heard the way some people talked and how they acted towards others and I've never heard any of that where I live now because people here have no awareness of who or what Jewish people are.

So in general terms it's better to live in someplace like Idaho or Wyoming than it is to live in NYC or L.A. not to mention that places like that are under Leftist totalitarian control. But specific to your situation, from what you've said, it sounds like most of the anti-Semitism that you're experiencing is coming from the SDA church and probably what you need to find is somewhere where there's an SDA congregation that's more accepting of Jews and Judaism where you don't have to listen to lesson studies about  how the Jews were all bad people. 

It's ironic that the media has portrayed Idaho and Montana as areas rife with ignorance and racism when the opposite is true.

The most infamous group in Idaho, the Aryan Nations, were founded by a guy that moved here from California and brought his twisted followers with him.  Randy Weaver, labeled as a white separatist, moved here from Iowa.

I grew up in a small college town so my only exposure to different races and religions were people that were educated and middle-class.  I had no idea why racism existed because the different races I knew were "normal".

There was an incident here last summer in which a swastika was spray-painted on the local college campus.  It turned out to be a leftist Hispanic student trying to create fake news.  Same with a local gay student's car that was vandalized; ended up being the supposed "victim" that did it.

I don't think there's hardly any Jews here, but then again, unless they are wearing the full orthodox outfit with the beard and hat, I would have no idea if they were or not.  And I wouldn't care either way.

A church I go to occasionally has a Messianic jew that preaches.  He is amazing and has become so popular, that he travels all over the US giving sermons.

Marty Solomon...   

Some sermons here...

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/bema-session-1-torah/id1148115183

 

[Historian]

On 12/17/2018 at 12:06 PM, Moshe said:

How lucky you are. 

Moshe I honestly at a lost for words.

I'm sorry you are dealing with this.

Most people are just trying to get along in the world.  Just keep on keepin on.

[Moshe]

18 hours ago, kerbie18 said:

Your experience with SDA churches is different than mine. My kids attend an SDA (I didn't catch the appreviation before) school, and I haven't heard one ill word spoken of Jews. They occasionally even do activities with the local Jewish community center.

Anyway, I'm

https://news.adventist.org/en/all-news/news/go/2005-08-15/europe-german-austrian-churches-apologize-for-holocaust-actions/

[kerbie18]

39 minutes ago, Moshe said:

https://news.adventist.org/en/all-news/news/go/2005-08-15/europe-german-austrian-churches-apologize-for-holocaust-actions/

Wow, thanks for the link, and that's disturbing. Now, I'm off to piss off my SDA inlaws....

Again, sorry you've had to put up with this crap. My personal experience with the Jewish community has always been quite positive, I really don't get it.