I want my 3.50

[Silentpoet]

https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/georgia-restaurant-employee-shoots-at-customer-who-tries-to-skip-out-on-bill

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.  One thing not mentioned or I missed it, the race of the "victim"

Edited December 8, 2018 by Silentpoet

[Moeman]

Sounds like Johnny Cash ... shot a man in reno just to watch him die

[willie-pete]

Sounds like the restaurant is going to get a new owner.

 

That is if he ever gets out of the hospital.

[DWARREN123]

Just plain stupid, not special stupid!

[steve4102]

Now if the restaurant owner was a Moslem, he could claim that his "religion" demands that he kill an infidel that steals from him, and get away with it.  

[Huaco Kid]

17 hours ago, Silentpoet said:

One thing not mentioned or I missed it, the race of the "victim"

Mongorian.

[Moshe]

Um, no one thought, "Let's get the license plate and contact the police?"  I knew that much as a teenager working at grocery store, we would try to convince the obvious drunks to call a cab.  When they refused and drove off, we took down the license plate and called it in.  Back a long, long time ago, when landlines were the only option for anything.

[crockett]

8 minutes ago, Moshe said:

Um, no one thought, "Let's get the license plate and contact the police?"  I knew that much as a teenager working at grocery store, we would try to convince the obvious drunks to call a cab.  When they refused and drove off, we took down the license plate and called it in.  Back a long, long time ago, when landlines were the only option for anything.

Right. My company has contacted many different PDs including FBI over ORGANIZED credit card fraud worth higher 3 and even 4 figures for each and every hit. At times we get hit on a daily basis. Not one investigated any of those cases. We had IPs and addresses.

Shooting a loser over 5 bucks is idiotic and criminal, but calling in a plate number won't do **** these days.

[Moshe]

Organized wire fraud, when caught, and wrapped up in a neat little bow for an ASUSA, that wants high conviction rates, carries as federal penalty of five years per incident.  The FBI is useless.  They try to piggy-back of other people's investigations.  Then they hold press conferences.  You are better off contacting ICE Investigations or HSI, as they call themselves, these days.  Most major places have units that do nothing but financial crimes.

Edited December 9, 2018 by Moshe

[steve4102]

51 minutes ago, crockett said:

Right. My company has contacted many different PDs including FBI over ORGANIZED credit card fraud worth higher 3 and even 4 figures for each and every hit. At times we get hit on a daily basis. Not one investigated any of those cases. We had IPs and addresses.

Shooting a loser over 5 bucks is idiotic and criminal, but calling in a plate number won't do **** these days.

 

34 minutes ago, Moshe said:

Organized wire fraud, when caught, and wrapped up in a neat little bow for an ASUSA, that wants high conviction rates, carries as federal penalty of five years per incident.  The FBI is useless.  They try to piggy-back of other people's investigations.  Then they hold press conferences.  You are better off contacting ICE Investigations or HSI, as they call themselves, these days.  Most major places have units that do nothing but financial crimes.

Maybe he knew all of this, that's why he took matters into his own hands and shot the SOB?

[Huaco Kid]

53 minutes ago, crockett said:

Not one investigated any of those cases.

Every time (very infrequent) I've contacted my credit card company about a fraudulent charge, they immediately just say,  "OK.  It's been refunded.  How else may we help you?"

No questions.  No concerns.  Done deal.

[janice6]

  I reported a check fraud to the police, where the criminals "washed" the check then forged a different amount and the signature, after stealing the check from a company's USPS mail box, I was asked if the bank reimbursed me.  I told them it did after I gave them a sworn affidavit of Fraud, then they said "no problem", not going to pursue it.

[crockett]

1 hour ago, Huaco Kid said:

Every time (very infrequent) I've contacted my credit card company about a fraudulent charge, they immediately just say,  "OK.  It's been refunded.  How else may we help you?"

No questions.  No concerns.  Done deal.

 

And that's exactly how my business makes the loss. They use stolen credit card information to place orders online, either change the shipping address in the account settings of the compromised card holder, or intercept / reroute the delivery locally. The card holder sees the unknown transaction on his statement but never placed an order or received any product. He then calls his bank, gets his money back right away, and our payment processor gives the requesting bank the money back as well, right out of our account. Meanwhile our product was long shipped and received by the criminals, and we are out of the funds.

A couple month later we see our product being sold on eBay, but this lead also didn't cause any interest with the authorities.

No PD gave a ****, bounced us around between jurisdictions, PDs, departments, detectives. Most final requests ended up on a voice box and we never got a call back.

Only way for us to offset these losses? Do the same what everybody else is doing in the industry. Raise the retail prices and make every customer pay for it.

Edited December 9, 2018 by crockett

[crockett]

PS: now my staff calls the card holder of every larger and / or suspicious order, before we ship anything. You won't believe how many of them thanked us for letting them know that their credit card information was stolen, and that we had been the only company calling in and asking.

So now our loss prevention measurements (and costs) are doing the job of the law and the payment processors, which makes one wonder why we pay taxes for enforcement, and high fees for each payment transaction.

But that's the new trend we see everywhere. Make somebody else pay for your **** and your responsibilities.

[Moshe]

5 hours ago, steve4102 said:

 

Maybe he knew all of this, that's why he took matters into his own hands and shot the SOB?

He didn't know anything other than he had a firearm and he was pissed.

[Moshe]

3 hours ago, crockett said:

 

And that's exactly how my business makes the loss. They use stolen credit card information to place orders online, either change the shipping address in the account settings of the compromised card holder, or intercept / reroute the delivery locally. The card holder sees the unknown transaction on his statement but never placed an order or received any product. He then calls his bank, gets his money back right away, and our payment processor gives the requesting bank the money back as well, right out of our account. Meanwhile our product was long shipped and received by the criminals, and we are out of the funds.

A couple month later we see our product being sold on eBay, but this lead also didn't cause any interest with the authorities.

No PD gave a ****, bounced us around between jurisdictions, PDs, departments, detectives. Most final requests ended up on a voice box and we never got a call back.

Only way for us to offset these losses? Do the same what everybody else is doing in the industry. Raise the retail prices and make every customer pay for it.

Your local PD and SO, aren't really equipped for financial crimes.  HSI, has whole sections, especially in places like Miami that get off on that.  When they merged Immigration and Customs while I was the legacy Immigration guy, they had a whole division of the legacy Customs people that dealt with financial crime and asset forfeiture.  They were like the Tax people for criminals.  The FBI, doesn't care unless someone has started something, they can take cred it for.  Case in point, I was the lead over at the local Violent Crimes Task Force for the Immigration side of the house.  It was a fusion cent of APD, Bernalillo SO, and me.  So, I get a call from the local FBI Office.  I knew because on the G phone it came back as all zeros asking for a meet and greet at their monster office off of I-25.  So, I go down there, as a Senior Special Agent on my side to meet with a Senior Special Agent on their side.  I thought I would be treated as an equal.  Hardly.  I didn't make it past the lobby interview rooms.  The guy wanted information on MS-13 in the area.  I thought, "Screw this guy."  If he isn't going to treat me better than a C.I., he isn't getting lead one out of me.  And I didn't.  Do, your self a favor and contact your local HSI Office and ask to speak with financial crimes.  Odds are you will get a far superior response, and eventually a result.

[Moshe]

18 hours ago, janice6 said:

  I reported a check fraud to the police, where the criminals "washed" the check then forged a different amount and the signature, after stealing the check from a company's USPS mail box, I was asked if the bank reimbursed me.  I told them it did after I gave them a sworn affidavit of Fraud, then they said "no problem", not going to pursue it.

But, there is Federal Investigation arm of the USPS.  Not many people know that.  They deal with just this kind of activity.

[M&P15T]

[janice6]

5 hours ago, Moshe said:

But, there is Federal Investigation arm of the USPS.  Not many people know that.  They deal with just this kind of activity.

Initially, I was notified by letter, before the check fraud was brought to my attention, that a special task force had located a batch of stolen USPS mail, and that one piece was my letter to a company.  Apparently the letter enclosed referenced the check that was missing.  The letter notified me of the recovered mail.

No one associated with the USPS, the town that the task force was located, nor the city in which I lived would talk with me.  I first tried to contact a representative of the task force in the town that had the recovered mail and I was notified that they were too busy to talk with me.  then I contacted the city police in the town I lived in.  They said that as long as I was reimbursed, they had no more interest in the case.  I later got a case number because I requested a copy of my police report for the fraud.  This report stated that the police were not pursuing this case.

I fought with a "payment recovery" company from Texas that threatened my credit and court to recover the funds spent at the store using the fraudulent check.  I contacted the commission in my state that licensed "recovery companies" that did business in my state about this case.  I sent the recovery company a sworn statement of fraud, a letter from the police department saying I had reported this fraud and a case number, a statement that I would not release my Banking account numbers, my credit account numbers, and my DL and SS information to them and that I had contacted my state's licensing authority about their economic threats to me.  I got a letter of release from them a week later.

The following week I got the same demand for personal information nd payment for the fraudulent charge from a similar group in CA.  I sent them copies of the documents sent to the Texas company.  Two weeks later they sent me a letter of release for the charges.  This took two months for me to resolve and cost me about $100 in fees for supporting documents and statements.

No one was interested in any aspect of this crime as long as I was reimbursed.

Edited December 10, 2018 by janice6

[Moshe]

2 minutes ago, janice6 said:

Initially, I was notified by letter, before the check fraud was brought to my attention, that a special task force had located a batch of stolen USPS mail, and that one piece was my letter to a company.  Apparently the letter enclosed referenced the check that was missing.  The letter notified me of the recovered mail.

No one associated with the USPS, the town that the task force was located, nor the city in which I lived.  I first tried to contact a representative of the task force in the town that had the recovered mail and I was notified that they were too busy to talk with me.  then I contacted the city police in the town I lived in.  They said that as long as I was reimbursed, they had no more interest in the case.  I later got a case number because I requested a copy of my police report for the fraud.  This report stated that the police were not pursuing this case.

I fought with a "payment recovery" company from Texas that threatened my credit and court to recover the funds spent at the store using the fraudulent check.  I contacted the commission in my state that licensed "recovery companies" that did business in my state about this case.  I sent the recovery company a sworn statement of fraud, a letter from the police department saying I had reported this fraud and a case number, a statement that I would not release my Banking account numbers, my credit account numbers, and my DL and SS information to them and that I had contacted my state's licensing authority about their economic threats to me.  I got a letter of release from them a week later.

The following week I got the same demand for personal information nd payment for the fraudulent charge from a similar group in CA.  I sent them copies of the documents sent to the Texas company.  Two weeks later they sent me a letter of release for the charges.  This took two months for me to resolve and cost me about $100 in fees for supporting documents and statements.

No one was interested in any aspect of this crime as long as I was reimbursed.

No one can demand Personally Identifiable Information on you (PII), unless, you are being charged with a crime.  Entities demanding it for giggles, can find themselves with a prison sentence, job loss, and up to 15k in fines.  That being said, if you choose to volunteer the information, no one can stop you.  Now, the Investigation Branch of the Postal Inspectors is an armed Law Enforcement Entity, that deals with mail fraud, and has the power of arrest-Nationally.  Complaining to the Post Master in your area does little.  If you observed one of the notices in your post office, it is a number for the national Inspector's number.  If not, a quick google search can be found.  I had a private insurance for disability that had traded hands three times.  It ended up with Met Life.  If you see that name, run away and never look back.  The buyouts were not my choice.  So, their method of not paying premiums was a matter of stalking and psychological warfare.  Letters one day, phone calls the next day for months on end.  Nothing was ever "good" enough even though Social Security and the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) declared me 100 percent disabled.  So, when this subsided finally, they called up a year later for "Phase 2,"  as they put it.  I told them I would no longer tolerate cyber stalking and torturing someone to give up their claim.  So, I wrote the American's with Disability Act under the DOJ.  Funny, they decided to desist in another year of harassment and stalking.  It all depends on what you are willing to do, to get justice for yourself.