pipedreams Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Lawyer said he though his client had a valid self defense argument......LOL they should hang him. Newly released dashcam video from a police cruiser shows the moment a traffic stop turned into a near-deadly shootout between a man pulled over for speeding and two Pennsylvania state troopers last fall. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/13/harrowing-video-shows-roadside-gun-battle-between-pennsylvania-police-man-pulled-over-for-traffic-stop.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazy R Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 He was just trying to turn his life around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Turn his life around... from 30 days jail for DUI to life in prison for homicide. Hats off to those officers and speedy recovery. Guy that went over the guardrail looks like his arm is pretty messed up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 I bet they carry 45s now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 People that complain about the cop being too demanding, or not friendly" enough at a traffic encounter, should be forced to watch this kind of video. Each and every driver expects the cop to just know that the driver is a "good guy", and should give him/her the friendly interaction of a neighbor. Each and every cop MUST expect that the driver is a "bad guy" that wants to kill him/her, until they find out otherwise. The odds are against the cop! The difference between these two expectations at a traffic stop, is that the cop may be killed. There is little or no expectation of the driver being killed by the cop. Try to see it from their side. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Beararms Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 (edited) Exactly what has to happen these days before deadly force is justified? After he was tazed and kept fighting then running to the right of the car, was it not time to escalate the force continium from Tazer to Firearm? Soeaking of Tazers, what does the data show about these types of incidents? Is this commonplace? It’s clear that the Tazer was not the right tool for the job. Should pepper spray have been used instead? Is it even allowed anymore? Would an 870 have changed the outcome? Edited August 14, 2018 by Will Beararms 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Beararms Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dric902 said: I bet they carry 45s now It’s all about shot placement. There’s no such thing as energy downrange. If these guys had trained enough, it would have kicked in and the perp would have been quickly taken down with shot placement. Hindsight is 20/20 and all jokes aside, had one of these Troopers been armed with a Benelli or 870 the tone would have been set at the get/go and if deadly force was still necessary, their odds would have been much better. Edited August 14, 2018 by Will Beararms 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 (edited) If there is no such thing as energy downrange what difference would the Benelli or 870 make im not trying to start anything, but if there is no such thing as energy downfange then the shotgun wouldn’t matter. And if the shotgun does matter then a larger bullet would have to be a step up. The bad guy was hit, what he was hit with must make some difference. God bless em, you couldn’t pay me enough to do what they do. I’m glad both survived. . Edited August 14, 2018 by Dric902 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Longmire Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 3 hours ago, Dric902 said: God bless em, you couldn’t pay me enough to do what they do. I’m glad both survived. . My grandson who is currently in the Marines, has applied to be an Alaska State Trooper when he gets out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Walt Longmire said: My grandson who is currently in the Marines, has applied to be an Alaska State Trooper when he gets out. That’s some hardcore stuff up there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exit Plan Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 20 hours ago, Will Beararms said: It’s all about shot placement. There’s no such thing as energy downrange. If these guys had trained enough, it would have kicked in and the perp would have been quickly taken down with shot placement. Hindsight is 20/20 and all jokes aside, had one of these Troopers been armed with a Benelli or 870 the tone would have been set at the get/go and if deadly force was still necessary, their odds would have been much better. They would have carried the shotgun but it didn't fit in the holster. They do carry both a shotgun and a rifle in the car but once the bullets are flying its to late to remove it from the cage. PSP carries Sig Sauer P227 .45 cal. pistol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) I was not there, but one thing I notice. The bad guy is shooting over the car. The cop is cowering low, trying to use the car as cover and shooting back over top of the car at the bad guy. We (police, self defense shooters) need to remember that those car doors aren’t bullet proof. I would have dumped a mag through the passenger side door and window and try to get some hits and shrapnel on target to the BG. Also so why I always pat someone down before I do SFSTs. I don’t want to stand that close to someone I will probably arrest and stand on one foot and stare at their eyes 3-5 feet away without being sure they don’t have a gun. Some of these guys have many, many DUIs and know they’re looking at some time if they get arrested. Edited August 15, 2018 by John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdTracker Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 9 hours ago, Dric902 said: If there is no such thing as energy downrange what difference would the Benelli or 870 make . 2000+ ft-lbs? Do I win the internet? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Longmire Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 1 hour ago, John said: I was not there, but one thing I notice. The bad guy is shooting over the car. The cop is cowering low, trying to use the car as cover and shooting back over top of the car at the bad guy. We (police, self defense shooters) need to remember that those car doors aren’t bullet proof. I would have dumped a mag through the passenger side door and window and try to get some hits and shrapnel on target to the BG. Also so why I always pat someone down before I do SFSTs. I don’t want to stand that close to someone I will probably arrest and stand on one foot and stare at their eyes 3-5 feet away without being sure they don’t have a gun. Some of these guys have many, many DUIs and know they’re looking at some time if they get arrested. I have shot the crap out of old abandoned cars. The ones with real steel fenders. No problem shooting through them even with a .22 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 I’m a firm believer that if a second cars has to show up then he should have the shotgun ready. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citra47 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 On 8/13/2018 at 11:47 PM, Will Beararms said: Exactly what has to happen these days before deadly force is justified? After he was tazed and kept fighting then running to the right of the car, was it not time to escalate the force continium from Tazer to Firearm? Soeaking of Tazers, what does the data show about these types of incidents? Is this commonplace? It’s clear that the Tazer was not the right tool for the job. Should pepper spray have been used instead? Is it even allowed anymore? Would an 870 have changed the outcome? M79 grenade launcher: At close range it makes a REALLY BIG HOLE..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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