Trying to make sense of "transgender" issue

[Vito]

I know the world is a lot crazier than it used to be, but here I am, trying to make sense if that is even possible, on this "transgender" issue. 

I have no doubt that some people think of themselves, and "feel" that they are in fact of the opposite gender. There is certainly no shortage of people who seem to be claiming this status, even if it is still a tiny percentage of the population. But claiming to be something other than what you actually are is not that rare. When a woman, born to white parents, claims that she is "really" a black person, and feels "in her heart" that she has always been black, virtually no one accepts that as evidence that she is, in fact, now a black person. She dyed her skin, treated her hair, and even rose to be the President of the local NAACP chapter, but other than a small minority in the media, she was denounced as a fraud by both whites and blacks and not even any credibility. Senator Elizabeth Warren claims to be part Native American, despite any physical evidence of such. While some defend her and say she actually is part Native American, not even her supporters claim that her "feelings" that she is Native American make it so. There even are cases of deranged people who absolutely believe that they are werewolves, even to the extent of attacking other people with their teeth. But no one that I have ever heard of claims that since the person "feels" that they are a werewolf, or "truly believes" that this is their status that they are, in fact, werewolves. But somehow, when the claim of being other than what they are physically pertains to their gender we are supposed to just forget everything our eyes and our brains tell us and accept that they are, in fact, the opposite gender. 

As I said above, I have no doubt that the transgender individuals believe that they are the claimed gender. I just don't accept that their belief magically makes it so. But in our crazy world, there are now numerous, perhaps a majority of people that say to protect the sensitivities of these "transgenders" we must accept this as a fact, and relate to them in their chosen gender. So a biological male soldier who now says he is a transgender female must be allowed to wear the women's uniform, and we as taxpayers were asked to foot the bill for expensive hormone treatments and even sex assignment surgery. We are being told that a high school biological male who says he is a transgender female should be allowed, with the full force of the government to make you accept this, use the girl's bathroom and shower with the teenage girls (regardless of whether or not this offends the teenage girls that are affected). 

Worse yet, we now are seeing a major university (I can't recall if it is Michigan or Minnesota) announce a new transgender policy that will punish those that don't use the desired pronoun of transgender students. A fellow student that uses the "wrong" pronoun, based upon what the person physically appears to be, will be subject to suspension or dismissal from the university. A professor that uses the other than desired pronoun will face possible termination of employment. And most crazy of all, parents of young children that prefer the activity of their opposite gender (something that has been true forever; we used to call those girls that liked boy-type games "tom boys") are being encouraged to start the child on hormonal therapy to change their appearance to the opposite gender. 

For the life of me I do not see how any of this makes any sense, and I, for one, will not be dragged into the nonsense of calling someone "cis" or some other made up term when it is obvious that the person is a male, or a female. 

[gwalchmai]

Ain't no sense to it. It's just another wedge the left is using to destroy freedom.

[Boogieman]

My employer stopped doing business in New York because of this foolishness.  Moved all of his employees out.  Won't take a meeting in the state.  Won't enter into any contract that involves any of his people entering the state or communicating with anyone in the state.  From what I'm told a major engineering project didn't happen because of this.  I'm sure De Blasio considers this a win.

[XSIV4S]

2018 ICD-10-CM Diagnosis Code Z87.890

 

(HINT: If it has a diagnostic code you are probably dealing with a whackadoodle.)

 

[DWARREN123]

Some folk are mentally ill and these things happen with the mentally ill.

[F14Scott]

Objective reality is the enemy of those who want to believe equality means we are all literally each other's equal, vice equal in the eyes of the law. So, in order to prove a woman is "equal" to a man or vice versa (impossible, due to biological differences), it becomes necessary to redefine men and women into a "gender fluid" continuum.

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[F14Scott]

Objective reality is the enemy of those who want to believe equality means we are all literally each other's equal, vice equal in the eyes of the law. So, in order to prove a woman is "equal" to a man or vice versa (impossible, due to biological differences), it becomes necessary to redefine men and women into a "gender fluid" continuum.

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Adding to that idea:

So, if a "transgendered" female athlete (i.e. a male in a sports bra) goes and sets a record in the open class (i.e. men's) 100 meter sprint, women have now proven themselves the athletic equal to men.

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[XSIV4S]

21 minutes ago, F14Scott said:

Adding to that idea:

So, if a "transgendered" female athlete (i.e. a male in a sports bra) goes and sets a record in the open class (i.e. men's) 100 meter sprint, women have now proven themselves the athletic equal to men.

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Eastern Bloc gymnasts did that for years. ?

[Huaco Kid]

I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body.

[Glocks4Freedom]

2 hours ago, DWARREN123 said:

Some folk are mentally ill and these things happen with the mentally ill.

Before 1977, they were institutionalized. Carter - a Democrat **** who almost ruined America - was so touched by "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest", he decided to let them free. 

[crockett]

Pretty simple in my book. Through the ongoing feminist movement the classical gender roles have massively shifted, past a balancing act, now to the point of males falling into female roles. Look how many guys are staying home these days and take care of the kids while she is out on her career making the money.

This shift in gender roles triggered many people to be "gender confused". There are now men that enjoy the female role and want to live in it permanently. We are now going to see the opposite of patriarchy, an the biggest chunk is still to come.

Unless males are going back to swinging a bat and take over, this path won't change any time soon.

My personal consequence is, that I reject any relationships. I don't fit into this new model and won't waste my time nor money in one ever again. I don't need a female telling me what to do.

There's a large movement of men getting out of this screwed up system, its called MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way).

From wiki: Politically, MGTOW have been variously associated with libertarianism. MGTOW use the word gynocentric to describe conditions that they claim favor women to the detriment of men, and are opposed to such circumstances. MGTOW believe that there is a systemic gynocentric bias against men including double standards in gender roles, bias against men in family courts, lack of concern for men falsely accused of rape and lack of consequences for their accusers.

Not a memeber, but seems to be a good forum: https://www.mgtow.com/

 

[RenoF250]

8 minutes ago, crockett said:

Pretty simple in my book. Through the ongoing feminist movement the classical gender roles have massively shifted, past a balancing act, now to the point of males falling into female roles. Look how many guys are staying home these days and take care of the kids while she is out on her career making the money.

This shift in gender roles triggered many people to be "gender confused". There are now men that enjoy the female role and want to live in it permanently. We are now going to see the opposite of patriarchy, an the biggest chunk is still to come.

Unless males are going back to swinging a bat and take over, this path won't change any time soon.

My personal consequence is, that I reject any relationships. I don't fit into this new model and won't waste my time nor money in one ever again. I don't need a female telling me what to do.

There's a large movement of men getting out of this screwed up system, its called MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way).

From wiki: Politically, MGTOW have been variously associated with libertarianism. MGTOW use the word gynocentric to describe conditions that they claim favor women to the detriment of men, and are opposed to such circumstances. MGTOW believe that there is a systemic gynocentric bias against men including double standards in gender roles, bias against men in family courts, lack of concern for men falsely accused of rape and lack of consequences for their accusers.

Not a memeber, but seems to be a good forum: https://www.mgtow.com/

 

 

But you still see women's value in porn right??

[SC Tiger]

35 minutes ago, XSIV4S said:

Eastern Bloc gymnasts did that for years. ?

And swimmers.

On the other side, Bulgarian weightlifters had to have breast reduction surgery because all of the drugs they took gave them gynoclamastia ("bitch tits.")

[crockett]

9 minutes ago, RenoF250 said:

 

But you still see women's value in porn right??

 

EDIT:

I'm still ATTRACTED (not attacked) to the female body. Not so much to your average female "personality". If there is one at all.

Edited July 18, 2018 by crockett

[XSIV4S]

1 minute ago, crockett said:

 

I'm still attacked to the female body. Not so much to your average female "personality". If there is one at all.

Freudian slip???

[Al Czervik]

1 minute ago, SC Tiger said:

And swimmers.

On the other side, Bulgarian weightlifters had to have breast reduction surgery because all of the drugs they took gave them gynoclamastia ("bitch tits.")

Or, gynecomastia.  ?  I think gynoclamastia is some sort weird clam boob doctor.  ? 

 

 

[crockett]

Nope. I'm writing while laying in my chair, 3 feet away from the monitor, typo, didn't see it because my reading glasses are in the other room, auto correct change the word, yada, yada, yada.

That being said, I wouldn't mind a female that is boss in the bed room only.

[Borg warner]

If you listen to the Lyrics of the Temptation's "Cloud Nine" it explains everything.

Cloud 9! You can be what you wanna be.
Cloud 9! You ain't got no responsibility.
Cloud 9! Every man, every man is free.
Cloud 9! You're a million miles from reality.

Reality? I'm gonna sail up, up, higher! (up, up. Higher!! up, up and away!

 

Edited July 18, 2018 by Borg warner

[XSIV4S]

3 minutes ago, crockett said:

Nope. I'm writing while laying in my chair, 3 feet away from the monitor, typo, didn't see it because my reading glasses are in the other room, auto correct change the word, yada, yada, yada.

That being said, I wouldn't mind a female that is boss in the bed room only.

Sorry, it's still funny.

[Al Czervik]

1 minute ago, crockett said:

Nope. I'm writing while laying in my chair, 3 feet away from the monitor, typo, didn't see it because my reading glasses are in the other room, auto correct change the word, yada, yada, yada.

That being said, I wouldn't mind a female that is boss in the bed room only.

Careful what you wish for  ?✊??⛓️

[crockett]

2 minutes ago, Al Czervik said:

Careful what you wish for  ?✊??⛓️

 

I could go now into great details pertaining big butts and my face, but that won't stick well with some.

[SC Tiger]

56 minutes ago, Al Czervik said:

Or, gynecomastia.  ?  I think gynoclamastia is some sort weird clam boob doctor.  ? 

 

 

Yeah, that too.

Steroids will **** you up all kinds of ways.

[TeaDub]

Science has taken a back seat to feelings. Unfortunately, government and many businesses have joined the "feelings" bandwagon. Chromosomes don't lie. Outside of a VERY small number of individuals, you are either a guy or a girl. It's what you were born with and will die with. If you want to mutilate your body or dress differently, have at it. The rest of society shouldn't be forced to accommodate your choices. Choices should have consequences. Weigh them carefully.

[Eric]

I don’t want to make sense of such things. I just wish people would keep such proclivities to themselves. It seems like things worked pretty well when people did that. 

[Silentpoet]

The only individual I’ve really known like that was my half sisters’ aunt. She was a pretty young woman but her dad sexually abused her and she became a butch lesbian and later went through the surgery.  I would suspect that abuse is common amongst those people with this particular mental health issue.