Fire them all

[Fog]

The police responding to Uvalde.

If they were not shot or out of ammo they get fired.

We have too much experience and too much training to stand around outside waiting! We know that you go in and stop the threat as fast as possible. This is a total failure of the officers onsite.

[ChuteTheMall]

[pipedreams]

As more info comes out this is going down as a giant disaster...............I don't like to condemn law enforcement but what the hell was going on?

 

"'The police were doing nothing': Uvalde police handcuffed and pepper-sprayed parents, who urged them to storm the school, including the dad of a murdered girl and a mom-of-two who got free, jumped a fence and rescued her kids herself

• "The police were doing nothing,' Angeli Rose Gomez told the Wall Street Journal. 'They were just standing outside the fence. They weren't going in there or running anywhere.'

Eventually, federal marshals put Gomez in handcuffs and told her she was under arrest for intervening in an active investigation, the Wall Street Journal reported."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10858577/Uvalde-mom-handcuffed-urging-cops-storm-school-rescued-kids-herself.html

 

"A former co-worker of the heinous Texas school shooter said that he was open about his plans to save up his money in order to purchase weapons, and he quit just when he raised enough money.

The revelations come as investigators try to piece together the motivation for Salvador Ramos who was killed after he shot and murdered 19 elementary school children and 2 teachers.

18-year-old Grace Cruz told the U.S. Sun that Ramos quit his job at the Wendy's just weeks prior to the shooting after raising the money he wanted.

“He had mental problems, emotional problems, personal problems, every type of problem," Cruz said about her former co-worker."

https://www.theblaze.com/news/uvalde-shooter-wendys-coworker-money?utm_source=theblaze-breaking&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20220527Trending-OrourkeWritings&utm_term=ACTIVE LIST - TheBlaze Breaking News

 

"Former high school classmate Nadia Reyes recalled to the Post that he had posted an Instagram story showing himself screaming at his mother—who has not commented publicly—and calling her a bitch as she tried to kick him out of the house. “He posted videos on his Instagram where the cops were there,” Reyes told the Post. “He’d be screaming and talking to his mom really aggressively.”"

https://www.thedailybeast.com/robb-elementary-school-gunman-salvador-ramos-bought-two-rifles-on-his-18th-birthday-texas-officials-say

[Fog]

I'm not one to jump on cops. I was one, it's a hell of a job on a good day.

But this thing stinks. It was a fuster cluck of epic proportions. Run by a bunch of career morons.

There is the heat of battle, and then there is don’t go full retard. They couldn’t even see the Welcome to Full Retard sign in the rearview mirror!

Yeah, I've been there and done it, I kept my opinions to myself for a couple of days, but by the first couple hours after it went down I knew it was a total failure.

[ChuteTheMall]

[Borg warner]

8 hours ago, Fog said:

The police responding to Uvalde.

If they were not shot or out of ammo they get fired.

We have too much experience and too much training to stand around outside waiting! We know that you go in and stop the threat as fast as possible. This is a total failure of the officers onsite.

It gets worse. Maybe I'm paranoid but it's almost like they were under orders from above to ensure that there would be a maximum death toll so that the incident could be used to promote gun control. Here's excerpts from 3 articles that show how badly administrators, bureaucrats, and decision-makers ****ed up while the rank and file cops were more than willing to put their lives on the line to save those kids. Especially troubling is the fact that a border Patrol Tactical team responded but were told to hold back.

 

Police narrative on Texas school shooting in question as new details emerge‘Please Send the Police Now’: Multiple Kids Made 911 Calls While Gunman Was Inside Uvalde School
Tomás Mier
Fri, May 27, 2022, 10:04 AM
Christopher Wilson·Senior Writer

Thu, May 26, 2022, 6:21 AM The New York times

The official account of what happened during a shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, is under scrutiny following the reporting of new details.
At a press briefing Wednesday afternoon, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott praised police for their response to the massacre Tuesday that killed 19 kids and two teachers. A Border Patrol officer fatally shot the gunman, whom authorities identified as 18-year-old Salvador Ramos.

However, the Associated Press reported late Wednesday that police waited outside the school for at least 40 minutes while parents and onlookers urged them to do something.

“More could have been done.” said Javier Cazares, whose daughter Jacklyn was killed in the attack, told the AP.

“There were five or six of [us] fathers, hearing the gunshots, and [police officers] were telling us to move back,” Cazares told the Washington Post. “We didn’t care about us. We wanted to storm the building. We were saying, ‘Let’s go,’ because that is how worried we were, and we wanted to get our babies out.”

The aunt of one of the victims told the New York Times that her niece’s stepfather was restrained and handcuffed by police when he attempted to help her.
“Nobody was telling him anything,” said Desiree Garza, whose niece Amerie Jo was killed. “He was trying to find out. He wanted to know where his daughter was.”
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Border Patrol Tactical Team Was Ordered to Hold Back Before Confronting the Gunman
Eileen Sullivan and J. David Goodman

Fri, May 27, 2022, 10:09 AM The new York Times

When specially equipped federal immigration agents arrived at the elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, on Tuesday, the local police at the scene would not allow them to go after the gunman who had opened fire on students inside the school, according to two officials briefed on the situation.

The agents from Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrived at some point between 12 and 12:10 p.m., according to the officials — far earlier than previously known. But they did not breach the adjoining classrooms of the school where the gunman had locked himself in until a little before 1 p.m. Members of the federal tactical team killed the gunman.

The officials said that members of the Uvalde Police Department kept the federal agents from going in sooner.

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‘Please Send the Police Now’: Multiple Kids Made 911 Calls While Gunman Was Inside Uvalde School
Tomás Mier
Fri, May 27, 2022, 10:04 AM Rolling Stone

More details are emerging about the 911 calls made by children inside Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas as an alleged 18-year-old gunman killed 19 children and two adults at the primary school. On Friday, Department of Public Safety Director Steven McCraw held a press conference to discuss an updated timeline of the shooting, the police’s delayed response, and the harrowing calls made by students to 911.

Without naming the children, McCraw said that a student in room 112 made four emergency calls: first, at 12:03 pm for one minute and 23 seconds as she whispered her location to first responders. She called back at 12:10 and said multiple people were dead. She then called at 12:13 and 12:16 and said eight to nine students in her classroom were alive.

By 12:19, another female student had made a 911 call from room 111. “She hung up after another student told her to hang up,” explained McCraw. Two minutes later, three gunshots could be heard from a second call. At 12:36, that same student called again for 21 seconds, before making a final call and staying on the line.

“She told us that he shot the door at 12:43,” McCraw said. “At 12:47, she asked 911 to ‘Please send the police now.'”  Minutes later, the student said she could hear officers on the scene taking students out of the classrooms. Later in the conference, when answering questions from journalists, McCraw said that more than one of the 911 callers survived. He provided no further detail.

The 911 calls discussed by McCraw were made as students waited for more than 40 minutes for police officers to intervene with the school shooter, and enter the school building, despite 19 officers being on school premises. McCraw explained that instead of entering the building, officers waited to enter — after receiving a master key — since they believed the gunman was barricaded and children were no longer in danger.

“Of course, it was not the right decision,” McCraw said. “It was the wrong decision.” Earlier McCraw had said the situation was under control.

[Borg warner]

35 minutes ago, pipedreams said:

As more info comes out this is going down as a giant disaster...............I don't like to condemn law enforcement but what the hell was going on?

 

"'The police were doing nothing': Uvalde police handcuffed and pepper-sprayed parents, who urged them to storm the school, including the dad of a murdered girl and a mom-of-two who got free, jumped a fence and rescued her kids herself

• "The police were doing nothing,' Angeli Rose Gomez told the Wall Street Journal. 'They were just standing outside the fence. They weren't going in there or running anywhere.'

Eventually, federal marshals put Gomez in handcuffs and told her she was under arrest for intervening in an active investigation, the Wall Street Journal reported."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10858577/Uvalde-mom-handcuffed-urging-cops-storm-school-rescued-kids-herself.html

 

"A former co-worker of the heinous Texas school shooter said that he was open about his plans to save up his money in order to purchase weapons, and he quit just when he raised enough money.

The revelations come as investigators try to piece together the motivation for Salvador Ramos who was killed after he shot and murdered 19 elementary school children and 2 teachers.

18-year-old Grace Cruz told the U.S. Sun that Ramos quit his job at the Wendy's just weeks prior to the shooting after raising the money he wanted.

“He had mental problems, emotional problems, personal problems, every type of problem," Cruz said about her former co-worker."

https://www.theblaze.com/news/uvalde-shooter-wendys-coworker-money?utm_source=theblaze-breaking&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20220527Trending-OrourkeWritings&utm_term=ACTIVE LIST - TheBlaze Breaking News

 

"Former high school classmate Nadia Reyes recalled to the Post that he had posted an Instagram story showing himself screaming at his mother—who has not commented publicly—and calling her a bitch as she tried to kick him out of the house. “He posted videos on his Instagram where the cops were there,” Reyes told the Post. “He’d be screaming and talking to his mom really aggressively.”"

https://www.thedailybeast.com/robb-elementary-school-gunman-salvador-ramos-bought-two-rifles-on-his-18th-birthday-texas-officials-say

"As more info comes out this is going down as a giant disaster...............I don't like to condemn law enforcement but what the hell was going on?"

It's not rank and file law enforcement who refuse to go into harm's way. They'd do it in a heartbeat to save those kids. It's the F*cking Bureaucrats and administrators and political appointees that never want to let law enforcement do it's job!

[pipedreams]

Remember this just before the NRA convention to be held in Houston.

 

[bigchuck83]

From the news conference I saw a part of earlier it has been said the on scene commander deemed it a barricaded suspect not an active shooter? Who was the on scene commander? A relative of the coward from the Florida school shooting a few years ago perhaps?

[railfancwb]

After the spotlight moved on didn’t that Florida guy get his job back, a promotion, and back pay?

[pipedreams]

Uvalde Shooter Arrested 4 Years Ago, Just Wait Until You Hear What For – Where’s The FBI On This?

"The information of this alleged arrest came by way of Republican Rep. Tony Gonzales during an interview with Fox News on May 27th. Rep. Gonzales claimed he’d received some details about the prior arrest of Salvador Ramos on the evening of May 26th.

“Well, I found out late last night that, you know…the shooter was arrested years ago – four years ago – for having this plan. For basically saying, ‘You know, when I’m a senior in 2022, I am going to shoot up a school.’ And this was four years ago, they apprehended him. So something fell between the cracks, between then and now, to allow this to happen."

https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2022/05/uvalde-shooter-arrested-4-years-ago-just-wait-until-you-hear-what-for-wheres-the-fbi-on-this-video/

"Fox News host Peter Hegseth wanted to ensure he was hearing the claims correctly, saying, “I want to make sure we make this point clear. You’re saying there’s an arrest report – an engagement with the police – four years ago, where they had identified he’d made a prediction he was going to do something like this in this very year?”"

[miketx]

Worthless cowards all.

[DAKA]

USE REAL FIRE 

[Fog]

We may never know, but I'd bet money there were some officers that wanted to go in, but were obeying the worthless piece of command staff that was saying to wait.

Been there and done that too. It wasen't command staff, senior deputy, I went anyway, he didn't have rank so 'eff em. Command backed me up on it too. He had been demoted from my commanding officer just a few months before, why he didn't get fired I'll never know. Total blowhard and waste of oxygen. He would rather sit back and watch the bodies stack up than risk the press on his taylored for fat uniform and the shine on his boots.

[Silentpoet]

Back when I wore a badge the sheriff would have personally kicked my ass if I was a ******* coward and didn't go in.

[miketx]

I no longer trust police. Screw them.

[21 shooter]

I wonder if they confiscated everyone’s cell phones?  Evidence of course.  The cell phones will show call times, and there may be videos as well.  
The upper echelon that told them to wait should be fired and arrested.  I find it difficult to believe that many officers waited at all, and the BP waited as well.  There is something very wrong here and I hope the truth comes out.   The LE that I know wouldn’t have waited on anyone let alone a stand down order from a pus “leader”.  No offense meant to pusses in general.  
 

[LostinTexas]

Almost sounds orchestrated, huh?

[railfancwb]

1 hour ago, LostinTexas said:

Almost sounds orchestrated, huh?

Mid-terms coming and Democrats need an issue to distract the live voters from Biden and his gasoline prices and other inflation. 

[railfancwb]

If one group of people can find mentally and emotionally challenged individuals and persuade them to wear a bomb vest and detonate it in a crowded restaurant isn’t it equally reasonable to think another group can find equally challenged individuals to shoot up schools. 

[Fog]

20 hours ago, Silentpoet said:

Back when I wore a badge the sheriff would have personally kicked my ass if I was a ******* coward and didn't go in.

Same here. My Commander told me that when it came to active shooters we stopped them as fast as possible or died trying. He wouldn't have it any other way. It was a tactic I dreaded and believed in at the same time. Plus it just worked.

 

[railfancwb]

Do the law enforcement people in this community have body armor issued to them?

[Wyzz Kydd]

Do the LEOs in that jurisdiction have spines? I think the answer is no. I bet they are real whizzes at handing out traffic citations.

[kerbie18]

I think the wised thing for me to do is withhold judgement all together.

[kerbie18]

13 hours ago, railfancwb said:

Do the law enforcement people in this community have body armor issued to them?

Body armor amounts to nothing. So 25 percent of your body is protected?

Again, not taking a side, but body armor makes you only sligthly more difficult to kill, at best.