Pennies, pounds, and politicians

[gwalchmai]

Snagged from a smart guy - https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2022/05/pennies-pounds-and-politicians.html

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Looking at the state of the country, I'm reminded more and more of an English proverb that my parents drummed into me when I was growing up:  "Look after the pennies.  The pounds will look after themselves."  It referred to money (English currency), and basically said that if one doesn't waste pennies (i.e. small amounts), but saved them, one would soon accumulate a larger sum of money.  Some would call that miserly;  others, frugal and sensible.  YMMV, of course.

I think there are parallels between government agencies and that proverb.  Many (most?) national government agencies appear to be spending money like there was no tomorrow, wasting billions on fruitless projects that have never produced the desired result over years or even decades of effort, but which they continue to fund, doubling down on failure.  They aren't looking after the pennies at all;  therefore, the pounds of taxpayer money we entrust to them are being frittered away uselessly.  They're also using that taxpayer money unwisely, splurging it on politically important projects while ignoring our domestic needs.  This meme from last Monday's collection makes that point very well.

 

 

Many headlines make the same point in different contexts.  A few recent examples:

 

• Border sheriff compares fentanyl toll to bomb taking out entire U.S. city:  Sheriff Mark Lamb blasts political leaders, media for ignoring a mass human crisis
• ‘I was praying they would hurry’: Calgary woman waits almost 3 hours for ambulance
• Madison Ave retailers lock doors in daytime amid crime frenzy
• Close Calls: Lonely & Dangerous Fire Responses ... unstaffed fire departments are the predictable fire problem that we need to deal with

 

From that last report, here's a chilling quote.

 

 

A few years ago I heard a call for someone having trouble breathing, and tones went out, and then three minutes later the dispatcher advised that the person was having severe trouble breathing, and the tones went out, and then about 10 minutes into the run they advised the person was unconscious, and more tones went out, and then it was a non-breather/cardiac arrest, and tones didn’t matter any longer.

 

 

These are the basic services every community needs:  fire, ambulance, law enforcement - yet almost all of them, in almost all our communities, are under-funded, under-resourced, under-emphasized.  Politicians, from local to regional to national, are great on pontificating about major issues or politically-correct subjects:  but they aren't much good at making sure that emergency response services are adequately staffed and equipped, or that the citizens they're supposed to serve are, in fact, being served properly.  As another meme from a few weeks ago reminds us:

 

 

It should be a requirement:  and, if local governments were doing their job, it would be a requirement.  The fact that in so many cities and towns, road maintenance is conspicuous by its failure is an indictment of their governments, and the local and state politicians who should be taking care of the problem.  Instead, the burden is shifted onto the shoulders of motorists and their insurance companies, who have to pay for the damage caused to vehicles by local government's failure to do its job.

Nobody's paying attention to the small stuff anymore.  Nobody's looking after the pennies.  As a result, the small problems of everyday life get magnified until they're big problems;  and the pounds (or dollars) we should be saving are frittered away, because instead of fixing small problems at low cost, we ignore them until they're big problems, that require a huge budget to fix - or pretend to fix.  Many times, the big projects don't work, or aren't properly planned and conducted, or are treated as a cash cow by corrupt politicians, unions and contractors . . . and so we go on throwing good money after bad.

Maybe we need to start locally, and work our way up to national issues.  Maybe we need to begin by saying to local politicians, "Do your job!  Fix what you're supposed to fix, and stop wasting time, money and resources on problems you can't fix because they're above our local pay grade."  Then, when politicians want to move on up to state level, we can say, "Did you do your job locally?  Did you take care of the pennies?  If you didn't do that locally, the odds are you won't do it at state level either."  It would be an excellent sorting device as to who's worth our vote, and who isn't.  The same would apply when they run for higher office, regionally or nationally.  If someone wants to be our Governor, or Congressional representative, or Senator, we can ask about their track record in prior office(s), the pennies-and-pounds evidence of whether or not they're worth trusting.

In fact, we could include their personal finances as a yardstick against which to measure them.  Are their personal and/or family budgets balanced?  Are they hopelessly in debt, or in good financial shape?  If they can't manage their own affairs well, what are the odds that they'll manage our city's, or state's, or country's affairs well?  If they claim privacy as a reason to keep their personal finances confidential, point out to them that they're expecting us to trust them with our money;  therefore, we want to see what they're doing with their own money before we trust them that far.  I don't think that's out of line.  Certainly, if they're living with massive credit card balances, juggling one against another to pay the bills each month but never clearing them, I don't want them doing the same to government budgets!

Another yardstick might be personal wealth.  I have no problem with someone earning an honest living, and becoming rich through his or her own efforts.  That's praiseworthy, IMHO.  On the other hand, a politician who goes into politics with relatively little, yet accumulates thousands or millions of dollars while in office, is automatically suspect in my book.  Where is the money coming from?  He or she had better be able to account for every penny - and none of it should involve taking advantage of their position, like stock tips or "re-election contributions" that end up in their personal accounts.  At the first sign of such shenanigans, I think the politician(s) concerned should be removed from office and prevented from ever running for elected office again.

I daresay it's because we don't do any of that, but simply accept the candidates foisted on us by faceless party committees, that we're in the mess we're in today.  If we got rid of every single Congressional representative and Senator tomorrow, and chose their replacements on the basis outlined above, I think the country as a whole would be dramatically better off - no matter which political parties were involved.

What say you, readers?  A pipe dream?  Or a potential solution?

Peter

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[railfancwb]

9 hours ago, gwalchmai said:

Snagged from a smart guy - https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2022/05/pennies-pounds-and-politicians.html

[quote]

Looking at the state of the country, I'm reminded more and more of an English proverb that my parents drummed into me when I was growing up:  "Look after the pennies.  The pounds will look after themselves."  It referred to money (English currency), and basically said that if one doesn't waste pennies (i.e. small amounts), but saved them, one would soon accumulate a larger sum of money.  Some would call that miserly;  others, frugal and sensible.  YMMV, of course.

I think there are parallels between government agencies and that proverb.  Many (most?) national government agencies appear to be spending money like there was no tomorrow, wasting billions on fruitless projects that have never produced the desired result over years or even decades of effort, but which they continue to fund, doubling down on failure.  They aren't looking after the pennies at all;  therefore, the pounds of taxpayer money we entrust to them are being frittered away uselessly.  They're also using that taxpayer money unwisely, splurging it on politically important projects while ignoring our domestic needs.  This meme from last Monday's collection makes that point very well.

 

 

Many headlines make the same point in different contexts.  A few recent examples:

 

• Border sheriff compares fentanyl toll to bomb taking out entire U.S. city:  Sheriff Mark Lamb blasts political leaders, media for ignoring a mass human crisis
• ‘I was praying they would hurry’: Calgary woman waits almost 3 hours for ambulance
• Madison Ave retailers lock doors in daytime amid crime frenzy
• Close Calls: Lonely & Dangerous Fire Responses ... unstaffed fire departments are the predictable fire problem that we need to deal with

 

From that last report, here's a chilling quote.

 

 

A few years ago I heard a call for someone having trouble breathing, and tones went out, and then three minutes later the dispatcher advised that the person was having severe trouble breathing, and the tones went out, and then about 10 minutes into the run they advised the person was unconscious, and more tones went out, and then it was a non-breather/cardiac arrest, and tones didn’t matter any longer.

 

 

These are the basic services every community needs:  fire, ambulance, law enforcement - yet almost all of them, in almost all our communities, are under-funded, under-resourced, under-emphasized.  Politicians, from local to regional to national, are great on pontificating about major issues or politically-correct subjects:  but they aren't much good at making sure that emergency response services are adequately staffed and equipped, or that the citizens they're supposed to serve are, in fact, being served properly.  As another meme from a few weeks ago reminds us:

 

 

It should be a requirement:  and, if local governments were doing their job, it would be a requirement.  The fact that in so many cities and towns, road maintenance is conspicuous by its failure is an indictment of their governments, and the local and state politicians who should be taking care of the problem.  Instead, the burden is shifted onto the shoulders of motorists and their insurance companies, who have to pay for the damage caused to vehicles by local government's failure to do its job.

Nobody's paying attention to the small stuff anymore.  Nobody's looking after the pennies.  As a result, the small problems of everyday life get magnified until they're big problems;  and the pounds (or dollars) we should be saving are frittered away, because instead of fixing small problems at low cost, we ignore them until they're big problems, that require a huge budget to fix - or pretend to fix.  Many times, the big projects don't work, or aren't properly planned and conducted, or are treated as a cash cow by corrupt politicians, unions and contractors . . . and so we go on throwing good money after bad.

Maybe we need to start locally, and work our way up to national issues.  Maybe we need to begin by saying to local politicians, "Do your job!  Fix what you're supposed to fix, and stop wasting time, money and resources on problems you can't fix because they're above our local pay grade."  Then, when politicians want to move on up to state level, we can say, "Did you do your job locally?  Did you take care of the pennies?  If you didn't do that locally, the odds are you won't do it at state level either."  It would be an excellent sorting device as to who's worth our vote, and who isn't.  The same would apply when they run for higher office, regionally or nationally.  If someone wants to be our Governor, or Congressional representative, or Senator, we can ask about their track record in prior office(s), the pennies-and-pounds evidence of whether or not they're worth trusting.

In fact, we could include their personal finances as a yardstick against which to measure them.  Are their personal and/or family budgets balanced?  Are they hopelessly in debt, or in good financial shape?  If they can't manage their own affairs well, what are the odds that they'll manage our city's, or state's, or country's affairs well?  If they claim privacy as a reason to keep their personal finances confidential, point out to them that they're expecting us to trust them with our money;  therefore, we want to see what they're doing with their own money before we trust them that far.  I don't think that's out of line.  Certainly, if they're living with massive credit card balances, juggling one against another to pay the bills each month but never clearing them, I don't want them doing the same to government budgets!

Another yardstick might be personal wealth.  I have no problem with someone earning an honest living, and becoming rich through his or her own efforts.  That's praiseworthy, IMHO.  On the other hand, a politician who goes into politics with relatively little, yet accumulates thousands or millions of dollars while in office, is automatically suspect in my book.  Where is the money coming from?  He or she had better be able to account for every penny - and none of it should involve taking advantage of their position, like stock tips or "re-election contributions" that end up in their personal accounts.  At the first sign of such shenanigans, I think the politician(s) concerned should be removed from office and prevented from ever running for elected office again.

I daresay it's because we don't do any of that, but simply accept the candidates foisted on us by faceless party committees, that we're in the mess we're in today.  If we got rid of every single Congressional representative and Senator tomorrow, and chose their replacements on the basis outlined above, I think the country as a whole would be dramatically better off - no matter which political parties were involved.

What say you, readers?  A pipe dream?  Or a potential solution?

Peter

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Choosing at random from citizens on property tax rolls could do no worse, and probably would upgrade most offices. Remember that [real?] property ownership was once a prerequisite for voting. 

[21 shooter]

2 hours ago, railfancwb said:

Choosing at random from citizens on property tax rolls could do no worse, and probably would upgrade most offices. Remember that [real?] property ownership was once a prerequisite for voting. 

Indeed, and once that was removed, well, go to court sometime and look at juries and their verdicts.  

[jmohme]

5 hours ago, railfancwb said:

Choosing at random from citizens on property tax rolls could do no worse, and probably would upgrade most offices. Remember that [real?] property ownership was once a prerequisite for voting. 

As it should be again.

[tous]

7 hours ago, jmohme said:

As it should be again.

Before the more enlightened of y'all exclaim, Having to own property to vote is racist and classist and homophobic and sexist and ....  it must be Islamophobic, too!

If you have read the works of the founders, you would understand their thinking that the law requiring land ownership meant that such citizens had skin in the game, that their choices, for good or evil, would benefit the citizen if they choose wisely, lead to strife and ruin if they did not.  Live  with the consequences.

Which part of society, other than landowners, are affected as much by poor choices at the ballot box?  The hippie Marxists will raises property taxes and divert municipal funds to their pie-in-the-sky programs.  The land owner suffers.  Yes, renters will suffer as well as their landlords must raise prices to offset increased taxes, but not to the degree that a landowner must.   One cannot demand that their house or backyard give them money.

That was the intent of the property owner condition, to force voters to make reasoned choices based on the voter's perceived ultimate benefit; not based on which candidate's hair is nicer or the one that promises free stuff for everyone -- except the landowners, of course.