LostinTexas Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 This seems to be a passionate subject. The defense is not being properly trained, to I just feel like it, to Israel does it. I can respect the "I just feel like it". Can't agree, but respect that stance. At least you aren't making limp d___ excuses. If you are scared of the thing, get training or leave it at home. Fear causes mistakes. Lack of training speaks for itself. This is probably some company policy to keep the guards "safe". Just a speculation, since two of them are unprepared. Two Men Lose Their Lives Vaya con Dios 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyzz Kydd Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 It would be funny if their ineptitude hadn’t cost them their lives. I really don’t care for ASP. Getting advice from some muffin top dude who couldn’t climb a flight of stairs without stopping to rest half way up. No thanks. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwalchmai Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 First I thought "Gee, with modern designs there's no need to carry you buryin' money in the cylinder". Then I realized these guys were carrying bottom feeders in Condition 0. That's muy malo, Mr. Shepherd. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunboat1 Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Chamber empty carry is a fine illusion of being armed. It is an admission of incompetence. Never. Ever. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
railfancwb Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Carrying with empty chamber might have been due to employer rules. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuteTheMall Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Carrying with an empty chamber is a planned malfunction only for those who are carrying for reasons other than immediate reactive self-defense. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MO Fugga Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, railfancwb said: Carrying with empty chamber might have been due to employer rules. Paging Johnny Paycheck.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuteTheMall Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 33 minutes ago, gwalchmai said: First I thought "Gee, with modern designs there's no need to carry you buryin' money in the cylinder". I've seen that myth busted as the money nearly burst into flames. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyzz Kydd Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Colt Commander, cocked and locked. It's the only way to be sure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwalchmai Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 2 hours ago, railfancwb said: Carrying with empty chamber might have been due to employer rules. Sounds likely. Also sounds like a rule that'd be awful hard to get caught breaking. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfost11 Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 It always seemed stupid to me. 50 years ago when the vast majorityof police and security folks carried a double action revolver, did they leave the upcoming cylinder empty in case they accidentally pulled the trigger? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostinTexas Posted January 28, 2022 Author Share Posted January 28, 2022 33 minutes ago, jfost11 said: It always seemed stupid to me. 50 years ago when the vast majorityof police and security folks carried a double action revolver, did they leave the upcoming cylinder empty in case they accidentally pulled the trigger? With the old "Suicide"pins, they left the resting chamber open. Never heard of doing so with the upcoming chamber. Lots of "expert" advice leads to much of this. Folk lore to most of the rest of it. As noted "Company Policy" may well be a large culprit. You know, got to keep these folks safe from themselves. They may be correct in many cases, when they should invest in training. Those guys are often the bottom of the barrel for training and much else. At least they used to be. There are several threads and lots of chatter on another forum (no not that one) with all the usual excuses. The particular one I'm thinking of came from someone who should very well know better, and is being taken as an "expert". Just another Youtuber. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 I listen to the people recommending an empty chamber and I can't buy their logic. I'm old and don't have lightning reflexes necessary for a "fast draw" and slide cycle. I have only one advantage working for me in case I must defend my life or one that I love. That is deception. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostinTexas Posted January 28, 2022 Author Share Posted January 28, 2022 1 hour ago, janice6 said: I listen to the people recommending an empty chamber and I can't buy their logic. I'm old and don't have lightning reflexes necessary for a "fast draw" and slide cycle. I have only one advantage working for me in case I must defend my life or one that I love. That is deception. LMAO. I found out long ago that "Just enough" is the finger of God, or as close as we mere mortals can get, and "Fair" fighting is for losers. That is a different subject, though. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuteTheMall Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 6 hours ago, gwalchmai said: Sounds likely. Also sounds like a rule that'd be awful hard to get caught breaking. A loud noise could be noticed, either a negligent discharge or necessary self defense. Getting fired is not always the worst thing that could happen. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
railfancwb Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Barney Fife 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwalchmai Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Are there any double action semi-autos that aren't drop safe? I can't think of any. IIRC all Smiths made since WWII have been, as well. Not sure about pony revos. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MO Fugga Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 6 hours ago, janice6 said: 6 hours ago, janice6 said: I listen to the people recommending an empty chamber and I can't buy their logic. I'm old and don't have lightning reflexes necessary for a "fast draw" and slide cycle. I have only one advantage working for me in case I must defend my life or one that I love. That is deception. For the risk averse crowd, this is your Huckleberry moment. Don't **** it up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holyjohnson Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 silly thing to do and pointless to carry if its not immediately usable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deputy tom Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 23 hours ago, railfancwb said: Carrying with empty chamber might have been due to employer rules. This is why I never took an armed guard job or worked for an armored car company. tom. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 I grabbed my S&W and practiced chambering a round, and it was easy, and the thing has a strong recoil spring. It’s an old Brinks gun and beat up, but it was easy to put a round in the chamber. I am not blaming the guards, but if you are going to carry a pistol, you should be good at using it. And if you are carrying satchels of money, you should know that there are people who will kill you to get it. Surrendering is never a good option, since you turn your life over to men that love money. Never surrender, and light them up. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. PS: loading the chamber of my .45 is so easy that it’s unreal. I have carried it cocked and locked, and that’s how I would carry it on a money truck, but still it’s easy to load up the chamber. The guards should have fought for their lives. They should have had a shotgun man, that whole scene was messy. I watched the video and the guard did what he could, but he never expected killers to be waiting on him, that was a fatal blunder. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fnfalman Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 If they were Israelis, they might still be alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwalchmai Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Fnfalman said: If they were Israelis, they might still be alive. If they were proficient at Condition 0 operations they might still be alive, regardless of their nationality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holyjohnson Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 9 hours ago, deputy tom said: This is why I never took an armed guard job or worked for an armored car company. tom. "Sure, Its Empty" better to be fired as Opposed to Dead. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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