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Pretty sure many of us here can agree that we appear to be in a time of devolution as a species. Sure you have Trump and Elon, and maybe a few anonymous great minds, but as a whole, we are on a downward slide.

 

So. When did we peak? I believe it happened with a certain event before I was born, but I would like to get youse guyse opinions on the matter.

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I would have to say during the Age of Enlightenment, around the end of the 17th century to the first half of the 18th century.

Much good thinking about nearly everything by very smart and moral people.

And, yes, it happened before you were born.  :biggrin:

 

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I say we reached our apex when Apollo 11 landed on the moon. The USA was leading the world then. What stopped progress was Johnson's War on Poverty and the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It took a few years for the shift from responsibilities to rights to take its toll, but by the 70s we had turned the corner and chose mediocrity over greatness. 

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44 minutes ago, tous said:

I would have to say during the Age of Enlightenment, around the end of the 17th century to the first half of the 18th century.

Much good thinking about nearly everything by very smart and moral people.

And, yes, it happened before you were born.  :biggrin:

 

I agree.  If you are looking for a broader version of Western history.   

 

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6 hours ago, gwalchmai said:

I say we reached our apex when Apollo 11 landed on the moon. The USA was leading the world then. What stopped progress was Johnson's War on Poverty and the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It took a few years for the shift from responsibilities to rights to take its toll, but by the 70s we had turned the corner and chose mediocrity over greatness. 

NAILED IT.

I know Tous thinks it was back in the time of frilly shirts and fancy paintings (known as "last week" to him), but I really think we reached our pinnacle and began our fall with "One small step for a man."

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Human history was filled with mediocrity during most of it, no?

Consider, there were mostly ignorant peasants, an arrogant elite and a dictatorial church.

No one was seeking greatness; they were seeking either survival or pleasure .

 

Also consider, was Columbus' voyage to the New World any less spectacular than the Apollo 11 moon landing?

Or Magellan's sailing around the world?  Well, most of the way.   He died before he finished the trip, but his crew did finish it.

When mankind accomplishes something wonderful, does it make any difference if they risked their lives in a 16th century sailing vessel or a 20th century space capsule?

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So, do you mean that the pinnacle of mankind's achievements was not declaring that gender is fluid, giving away Obama phones, requiring everyone pay for health insurance, impeaching a president twice and having $28 trillion dollars in debt. 

It is starting to sound like the fall of Rome.

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36 minutes ago, tous said:

Also consider, was Columbus' voyage to the New World any less spectacular than the Apollo 11 moon landing?

Or Magellan's sailing around the world?  Well, most of the way.   He died before he finished the trip, but his crew did finish it.

When mankind accomplishes something wonderful, does it make any difference if they risked their lives in a 16th century sailing vessel or a 20th century space capsule?

You no doubt are familiar with Blish's sci-fi short story "Surface Tension"? :supergrin:

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Lolz.  We haven't peaked yet.  Still alot to learn and accomplish.  While the average person is fat, stupid, and lazy, the best people are still fast, strong smart, and hard working.  There is still tech to be developed that we can't dream of.  I still think we will get off this rock and populate other planets before we do ourselves in.  

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15 minutes ago, Sparks said:

Lolz.  We haven't peaked yet.  Still alot to learn and accomplish.  While the average person is fat, stupid, and lazy, the best people are still fast, strong smart, and hard working.  There is still tech to be developed that we can't dream of.  I still think we will get off this rock and populate other planets before we do ourselves in.  

Posts like this and watching Isaac Arthur on yootoob a few times a week gives me hope. His channel is about futurism, but plain spoken as well as feasible.

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1 hour ago, Sparks said:

While the average person is fat, stupid, and lazy, the best people are still fast, strong smart, and hard working.  There is still tech to be developed that we can't dream of. 

I think the bar for university education has been raised to a new level.  I read an article where some ivy league universities did not want super students, fearing they would get an egg head / nerdy reputation.  100 years later, schools are churning out many very capable graduates in useful fields.  Unfortunately, the liberal arts have taken an abrupt left turn into numerous useless and sometimes destructive adjuncts (XYZ studies vs degrees in literature or psychology).

But, technology leap frogs ahead...  Mankind's history is filled with atrocities that occur aside revolutionary improvements in our standards of living.  Sometimes it feels like two steps back for every three steps forward. 

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11 hours ago, tadbart said:

Pretty sure many of us here can agree that we appear to be in a time of devolution as a species.

 

12 hours ago, tadbart said:

Pretty sure many of us here can agree that we appear to be in a time of devolution as a species. 

So. When did we peak? 

We've never "Peaked".  We've been Manipulated, as groups of people, so we DON'T Peak.  AND, it's not a "devolution" as a species I don't think.  It's just a "Persistance" of the socialist mentality...over years, that has engraved itself in our American Society and education system..."chip, chip, chip"...that it is finally taking over.  Ya keep beatin enough...over time..."IT" will come down...You're watchin it.

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