“You don’t create jobs for the 21st century by trying to whistle up jobs from the 19th century.

[Moeman]

Good read

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/10/tackle-climate-or-face-financial-crash-say-worlds-biggest-investors

sure coal miners can be train for wind mills, solar  and tidal power jobs.

[Dric902]

So cover the Arctic with ash to prevent the coming ice age?

or stop breeding to prevent the population explosion and become cannibles?

or shut off your computer on Dec 31 1999

Ebola vaccine?

 

which one are they talking about now?

 

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[Cougar_ml]

So a bunch of financial investors are now experts on environmental issues?  

More likely that they don't see as much profit in coal, they want to make money off the replacement technologies.

[Al Czervik]

[RenoF250]

1 hour ago, Cougar_ml said:

So a bunch of financial investors are now experts on environmental issues?  

More likely that they don't see as much profit in coal, they want to make money off the replacement technologies.

Yeah, and what investors?  What a load of horseshit.  Beside, coal is being phased out in the US, their bullshit link talks about investors - USA investors are putting money into coal plants but they are not being built here.

 

I am really sick of this climate change crap, they are talking about it constantly.

[janice6]

1 hour ago, Dric902 said:

So cover the Arctic with ash to prevent the coming ice age?

or stop breeding to prevent the population explosion and become cannibles?

or shut off your computer on Dec 31 1999

Ebola vaccine?

 

which one are they talking about now?

 

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Now they are fighting tooth and nail to get nations to agree to give money to those who say they can solve the problem, with more money.  

If GW isn't a problem and the money is given anyway, they claim they solved the problem with money.

If GW overcomes the planet they will claim that although they received massive amounts of money, it still wasn't enough.

The biggest problem seems to be their desire for money, since that's all they keep harping about.  Increasing taxes as a means to punish, not as a means to accomplish something.

Those third world countries which account for the greatest amount of trash and pollution claim that they are exempt from controls and penalties, since polluting is required by them to achieve first world status, someday..  

Since the money can only come from the wealthiest countries, which are the lowest percentage of polluters,  The blame must go where the money is, and exclude the actual sources of the majority of the problem.

Sounds like BS to me. 

[janice6]

2 minutes ago, RenoF250 said:

Yeah, and what investors?  What a load of horseshit.  Beside, coal is being phased out in the US, their bullshit link talks about investors - USA investors are putting money into coal plants but they are not being built here.

 

I am really sick of this climate change crap, they are talking about it constantly.

And they haven't proven that Man has the capability to overcome the  planet core heating and the Sun to change the weather.

[Moeman]

Too many don’t get it... man the cause? Or man adder to the climate change? A big plate of food the cause of obesity, or just pumping the glutton break pedal, just like that we need to pump the break pedal.

[RenoF250]

3 minutes ago, Moeman said:

Too many don’t get it... man the cause? Or man adder to the climate change? A big plate of food the cause of obesity, or just pumping the glutton break pedal, just like that we need to pump the break pedal.

 

I get it just fine, they want to take money from 1st world countries and move it to 3rd world while taking their piece.  Do we contribute?  Probably some, but not nearly as much as they would like you to think and they have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt their predictions are complete ****.  What are they going to do about it anyway?  They say reduce but they have no real solutions for that and do nothing to progress towards it.  They are a bunch of hypocrites that want money/power.

[janice6]

If these wealthy environmentalists are really sincere about changing the world, then they should band together and produce a substantial prize for anyone who can "invent" a new non-polluting power source.  It has to be a portable power source with the equivalent energy output to provide heat and electricity for an average home,with little byproducts other than Oxygen, water,and totally inert substances.  It should also be capable of producing adequate power even for aircraft propulsion.

This power source must be cheap enough the individuals can purchase them for propulsion for automobiles and/or the home to replace what is available now.  Until a real, substantial, compact, affordable, truly clean power source is available to the individual, nothing will be accomplished in the grand scheme of things.  Remember that in the past, no one predicted the tremendous impact on civilization that the computer produced.  Historically, it appeared out of nowhere and "overnight" changed everything. 

A real "new concept" in portable power production is needed.  The government spent unbelievable amounts of money to develop the Integrated Circuit for weapon use under DARPA during the Cold war.  this huge expenditure was paid back into  our economy,  by the civilian  adaptation of Integrated Circuitry to every aspect of our everyday life.  It involved untold Billions of Dollars concentrated in the development, over a relatively short time. My company contributed to this effort along with every major corporation in America.

Economical power is the basis for our existence.  Yet, we have no real emphasis of producing it.  Look what happened with the concerted effort to produce aircraft, automobiles, computers, cell phones, etc. All these things were the result of a Capitalist society and the resulting promise of a significant profit for the producers and great benefit for the consumers.  We can do this, we have done it before.

Until there is some way for consumers to save money or benefit greatly in comfort or improved life style, nothing of significant change will occur.

The real key to EVERYTHING that affects the consumer is that they have to benefit from it, and not have their fortunes nor lifestyle decreased by it.  A real significant unique change in development of power, is the only game changer that will really help civilization.  If it is truly a "new concept", and has the attributes listed above, all nations will clamor to acquire it, and the world will improve for all in every respect, overnight.  This seems to be a claim for electrical generation on a size and scale of a small cooler, since electrical energy can power almost anything if it is available in significant quantities.

Of course, I have no concept of how to create such a thing, but that is for those with insight and imagination, and time.  It is necessary for a government or a body, to fund the astounding cost needed to develop this source. 

 

 

 

[Brown Hawk]

31 minutes ago, RenoF250 said:

 

I get it just fine, they want to take money from 1st world countries and move it to 3rd world while taking their piece.  Do we contribute?  Probably some, but not nearly as much as they would like you to think and they have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt their predictions are complete ****.  What are they going to do about it anyway?  They say reduce but they have no real solutions for that and do nothing to progress towards it.  They are a bunch of hypocrites that want money/power.

Sorry.  Completely wrong.  They want to take money from first world people and put it in their pockets.  They couldn’t care less about the third world, and they want the first world to keep producing their toys.  

Hawk 

[RenoF250]

1 minute ago, Brown Hawk said:

Sorry.  Completely wrong.  They want to take money from first world people and put it in their pockets.  They couldn’t care less about the third world, and they want the first world to keep producing their toys.  

Hawk 

Sorry you are correct I think a few pennies might make it to the 3rd world just for show.

[Moeman]

22 hours ago, RenoF250 said:

 

I get it just fine, they want to take money from 1st world countries and move it to 3rd world while taking their piece.  Do we contribute?  Probably some, but not nearly as much as they would like you to think and they have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt their predictions are complete ****.  What are they going to do about it anyway?  They say reduce but they have no real solutions for that and do nothing to progress towards it.  They are a bunch of hypocrites that want money/power.

Meh, the solutions are out there, solar, wind tidal energy etc. they might not be enough... but why not? When these money managers in the OP are strident, pay attention, they aren’t tree huggers.

[RenoF250]

1 hour ago, Moeman said:

Meh, the solutions are out there, solar, wind tidal energy etc. they might not be enough... but why not? When these money managers in the OP are strident, pay attention, they aren’t tree huggers.

Those technologies are not consistent and will not meet demand.  Also, the environment impact of making all of those photocells etc. needs to be considered.  I think nuclear done correctly is probably the most environmentally friendly way to go.

Yes, I know the investors just want money and do not care but that is not this countries fault and those people are going to exist regardless.  The only way to get them to care about the environment is make it profitable.  That has meant subsidies which has translated in to a bunch a graft - Solendra etc.

[fortyofforty]

4 hours ago, Moeman said:

Meh, the solutions are out there, solar, wind tidal energy etc. they might not be enough... but why not? When these money managers in the OP are strident, pay attention, they aren’t tree huggers.

No, they are greedy and see enormous profits that come from massive and wasteful government spending of hard-earned taxpayer money.  **** them.  If a technology works, it will succeed in the marketplace.  When the government puts its fat fingers on the scale and tries to force things down peoples' throats, they rightfully reject the swill.  Let solar and wind compete on a level playing field.  When they work, they'll win.  As long as they can only succeed with subsidies, they are a failure.

This guy gets it.  This guy know the truth.  This guy doesn't act like he's too worried.

[Dric902]

Energy isn’t free

especially when the government pays for it

 

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[Huaco Kid]

50 minutes ago, Dric902 said:

Energy isn’t free

especially when the government pays for it.

"If you think college is expensive now,  wait until it's free!"

[fortyofforty]

So far, the cleanest source of energy practical on a large scale is nuclear.  Ask the envirosocialists if they're in favor of building more clean nuclear plants.  Nope.  The answer is always the same.  Yet, they conveniently ignore the environmental damage done to produce such mean, clean and green items as rechargeable batteries and solar panels.

[Brown Hawk]

29 minutes ago, fortyofforty said:

So far, the cleanest source of energy practical on a large scale is nuclear.  Ask the envirosocialists if they're in favor of building more clean nuclear plants.  Nope.  The answer is always the same.  Yet, they conveniently ignore the environmental damage done to produce such mean, clean and green items as rechargeable batteries and solar panels.

True.  And two new ones are being built here, due to open in 21 and 22, with more planned.  Major problem is lawsuits one after another, instead of being joined.  And the irrational fears that environmentalists keep pumping up.  We’ll just have to see.  

Hawk 

[Moeman]

23 hours ago, fortyofforty said:

So far, the cleanest source of energy practical on a large scale is nuclear.  Ask the envirosocialists if they're in favor of building more clean nuclear plants.  Nope.  The answer is always the same.  Yet, they conveniently ignore the environmental damage done to produce such mean, clean and green items as rechargeable batteries and solar panels.

Made a couple decades of career out of isotopes... done right, with redundant fail safes and a plannned waste plan they work great. But this is an area where regulations are required. 

[Mrs.Cicero]

I am sick and tired of all the people who want to take money out of my pocket for their favorite froufrou cause.  They either need to use their own money on their own problem, or they need to drop dead of heat stroke.  Because they don't even know what they don't know, and they just keep making **** up.

 

yes, I am kind of cranky today, from having to deal with a hypocritical "Stoic" on a Trump-hate rant.  People that stupid should not reproduce.

Edited December 13, 2018 by Mrs.Cicero

[Al Czervik]

On 12/10/2018 at 11:03 AM, Moeman said:

Good read

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/10/tackle-climate-or-face-financial-crash-say-worlds-biggest-investors

sure coal miners can be train for wind mills, solar  and tidal power jobs.

You don't understand basic things like the demographics of coal miners, who they are, where they are, and their general ethos.  You're not going to get a WV coal miner to service windmills in Nebraska any sooner than you are to get a Maine lobsterman to spin a chain in the West Texas oil patch.

On 12/10/2018 at 1:51 PM, Moeman said:

Too many don’t get it... man the cause? Or man adder to the climate change? A big plate of food the cause of obesity, or just pumping the glutton break pedal, just like that we need to pump the break pedal.

When you post things like this, I don't know whether to take you as a Chinese bot or a dipshit in Vlad's mom's basement.  English is not my fist language, but I do try to post things that may make sense to an average American adult.

On 12/11/2018 at 12:12 PM, Moeman said:

Meh, the solutions are out there, solar, wind tidal energy etc. they might not be enough... but why not? When these money managers in the OP are strident, pay attention, they aren’t tree huggers.

What solutions?  Solutions to what?  What exactly is the problem you wish to solve? 

1 hour ago, Moeman said:

Made a couple decades of career out of isotopes... done right, with redundant fail safes and a plannned waste plan they work great. But this is an area where regulations are required. 

WTF does this mean?  I've known some of the biggest brightest minds from the National Labs.  Your language is not the language they use.  Please explain.

[Moeman]

43 minutes ago, Al Czervik said:

You don't understand basic things like the demographics of coal miners, who they are, where they are, and their general ethos.  You're not going to get a WV coal miner to service windmills in Nebraska any sooner than you are to get a Maine lobsterman to spin a chain in the West Texas oil patch.

When you post things like this, I don't know whether to take you as a Chinese bot or a dip**** in Vlad's mom's basement.  English is not my fist language, but I do try to post things that may make sense to an average American adult.

What solutions?  Solutions to what?  What exactly is the problem you wish to solve? 

WTF does this mean?  I've known some of the biggest brightest minds from the National Labs.  Your language is not the language they use.  Please explain.

Sorry this is above your pay grade

[Brown Hawk]

2 hours ago, Moeman said:

Made a couple decades of career out of isotopes... done right, with redundant fail safes and a plannned waste plan they work great. But this is an area where regulations are required. 

The regulations have been in place for years, and updated almost continuously.  Redundant failsafes are in place, and also updated.  Can anyone say USNavy nuclear powered ships?  Breeder reactors create less waste.  Pebble reactors can only die out if there is no power, not melt down.  

Main problem with waste is that by law, everything coming out of a reactor is waste.  So we end up going to forgeign countries to buy the same radioactives for med and other uses that we throw away.  

Hawk

[Citra47]

Global warming…….., global cooling...………. or just a huge new pile of pigeon **** on top of an apartment building for politicians - whatever.  Why can't people take a hard look at the history of this planet and consider......just once...……….consider that it could possibly be a natural occurrence. Some how I don't believe the past ice ages and warming periods on earth were caused by people breathing, cow farts, or ants screwing. **** happens. Get used to it!