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https://www.newsweek.com/gun-control-new-york-wants-make-you-submit-social-media-history-purchasing-1228579

A proposed bill in the New York State Senate could mean that anyone wanting to buy a pistol or renew their permit will be subject to a review of their internet history and social media accounts going back up to three years.

S9191 “requires a person applying for a license to carry or possess a pistol or revolver or a renewal of such license to consent to having his or her social media accounts and search engine history reviewed and investigated for certain posts and/or searches over a period of 1-3 years prior to the approval of such application or renewal,” the draft bill states.

In order for investigators to access personal accounts, applicants would have to give over their login details to social media platforms such as Facebook Snapchat, Twitter and Instagram.

"There should be more restrictions on how guns are purchased,” Paul McQuillen, director of the Buffalo chapter of New Yorkers Against Gun Violence (NYAGC), told ABC-affiliate WFTS. “We should have more background checks.”

 

are you thinking about all the political posts you’ve made in the last couple of years?

 

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In Washington state, you will soon have to submit to allow law enforcement access to your medical records in order to buy a pistol or semi-automatic rifle...

Never thought I'd actually live to see the day of such abuse of governmental power and such gross disregard of the constitution actually being voted on by Americans.

https://www.sos.wa.gov/_assets/elections/initiatives/finaltext_1531.pdf

Sec. 7. RCW 9.41.094 and 2018 c 201 s 6004 are each amended to read as follows:

A signed application to purchase a pistol or semiautomatic assault rifle shall constitute a waiver of confidentiality and written request that the health care authority, mental health institutions, and other health care facilities release, to an inquiring court or law enforcement agency, information relevant to the applicant's eligibility to purchase a pistol or semiautomatic assault rifle to an inquiring court or law enforcement agency.

 

 

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So, the state of Washington has now legally defined 'assault rifle' have they?

Note that it specifically excludes select-fire assault rifles.

 

Be prepared for the definition of assault rifle to include any rifle, then expanded to mean shotguns as well.

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44 minutes ago, tous said:

So, the state of Washington has now legally defined 'assault rifle' have they?

Note that it specifically excludes select-fire assault rifles.

 

Be prepared for the definition of assault rifle to include any rifle, then expanded to mean shotguns as well.

Yep.  Completely wrong from any perspective, too...

(25) "Semiautomatic assault rifle" means any rifle which utilizes a portion of the energy of a firing cartridge to extract the fired cartridge case and chamber the next round, and which requires a separate pull of the trigger to fire each cartridge.

"Semiautomatic assault rifle" does not include antique firearms, any firearm that has been made permanently inoperable, or any

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firearm that is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action.

 

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7 hours ago, gwalchmai said:

No problem. I've never said anything controversial on social media.

So what do you do with someone who doesn't use social media? I went dark on the other forum a for a year at a time several times. I would log in once a year to keep the account alive.

But I don't use Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, etc. And a google search on my name reveals almost nothing.

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3 hours ago, Historian said:

So what do you do with someone who doesn't use social media? I went dark on the other forum a for a year at a time several times. I would log in once a year to keep the account alive.

But I don't use Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, etc. And a google search on my name reveals almost nothing.

1) It's a dumbass idea by a lefty politician, but we can indulge it as if it made sense somehow.

2) Since there's no way to really prove that the poster calling himself "Historian" is really you they'd have to do some kind of IP trace, which can't be binding in any way.

3) Even if "they" can somehow link "you" with your IP trace, Saul Goodman is going to point out that the IP just shows your connection point, and it could be anyone connected to that who made the post (including the FBI van who has hacked your WiFi).

So, yeah, Historian, I think you're safe. :)

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5 minutes ago, Historian said:

Actually it's not that hard to prove location .

This is really another issue. Denile and confiscation.

Just because someone made a phone call from my landline doesn't mean I made that phone call. If NICS is going to deny you based on a forum post they have to unambiguously show that you made the post. 

I don't think even the antis would be able to fund such investigation for every NICS check. This is another tempest in a teapot.

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34 minutes ago, gwalchmai said:

Just because someone made a phone call from my landline doesn't mean I made that phone call. If NICS is going to deny you based on a forum post they have to unambiguously show that you made the post. 

I don't think even the antis would be able to fund such investigation for every NICS check. This is another tempest in a teapot.

So my phone uses barometric pressure to report back to google when my truck door  opens. It knows where I walk to after that and it knows who I called and when. It tracks my move ments and knows where I work and the average time it takes for my ads to hit the chair and provided me the beet route to work without me asking.

He'll I get asked to rate my experience. Unless I'm in a gun shop. But at the bar they want to know if I enjoyed my beer.

Today's devices a very much aware of so much information that a case can be made on behavior and up location. For example, I once had a little drink and made a donation on glock talk and screwed up the process and Eric found me. Wasn't hard. Hooked me up wit a great spyderco knife.

Casey Anthony? Same thing. They were able to prove she was the one who looked for ways to kill her kid. Porn charges? Same thing. Nothing you do on the internet is not watched at some point.

We talked about this year's ago on the other board. There are people who agree with us politically reading and watching what we say in public forums.  

This is where this gets dangerous.

A government official could say a check takes two months.  No other consititonal right has a waiting period or judgement placed in determining your ability to use it in such an abetrary way.

Ultimately, I think some people.want to.do what China is doing and build a social credit system where you are judge and rewarded or prosecuted based on behavior that matches the state's desires.

Good little sheep, they want. Not citizens.

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39 minutes ago, gwalchmai said:

Just because someone made a phone call from my landline doesn't mean I made that phone call. If NICS is going to deny you based on a forum post they have to unambiguously show that you made the post. 

I don't think even the antis would be able to fund such investigation for every NICS check. This is another tempest in a teapot.

As I already posted this has Nothing to do with NICS, this is not Federal, it is the St of NY.

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17 minutes ago, Historian said:

So my phone uses barometric pressure to report back to google when my truck door  opens. It knows where I walk to after that and it knows who I called and when. It tracks my move ments and knows where I work and the average time it takes for my ads to hit the chair and provided me the beet route to work without me asking.

He'll I get asked to rate my experience. Unless I'm in a gun shop. But at the bar they want to know if I enjoyed my beer.

Today's devices a very much aware of so much information that a case can be made on behavior and up location. For example, I once had a little drink and made a donation on glock talk and screwed up the process and Eric found me. Wasn't hard. Hooked me up wit a great spyderco knife.

Casey Anthony? Same thing. They were able to prove she was the one who looked for ways to kill her kid. Porn charges? Same thing. Nothing you do on the internet is not watched at some point.

We talked about this year's ago on the other board. There are people who agree with us politically reading and watching what we say in public forums.  

This is where this gets dangerous.

A government official could say a check takes two months.  No other consititonal right has a waiting period or judgement placed in determining your ability to use it in such an abetrary way.

That's my point. It can be done (maybe), but it costs too much and takes too long to be practical, without even considering the civil rights issues it brings up.

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1 hour ago, steve4102 said:

Of course the OP got this all wrong.

This has absolutely nothing to do with NICS, nothing.

GUN CONTROL: NEW YORK WANTS TO MAKE YOU SUBMIT SOCIAL MEDIA HISTORY BEFORE >>>>>>>PURCHASING<<<<<<< GUN

that would be ‘purchasing a gun’ described as the buying of a firearm with a NICS check required. No matter what the initial legislation says, the goal is clear.

 

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40 minutes ago, Dric902 said:

GUN CONTROL: NEW YORK WANTS TO MAKE YOU SUBMIT SOCIAL MEDIA HISTORY BEFORE >>>>>>>PURCHASING<<<<<<< GUN

that would be ‘purchasing a gun’ described as the buying of a firearm with a NICS check required. No matter what the initial legislation says, the goal is clear.

 

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The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) is a United States system for determining if prospective firearms or explosives buyers' name and birth year match those of a person who is not eligible to buy. It was mandated by the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (Brady Law) of 1993 and launched by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in 1998.

In other words Federal and the NICS investigation is done by the FBI.

What you are talking about is NY specific and has NOTHING to do with National, Federal, FBI or the Brady Act.

NY Requires a Permit to purchase/own/possess/carry a handgun.  This is an addition to that STATE requirement/law already in place.  The Background check for a State License is done by the county in which you live, usually by the Sheriff, it is totally separate and has nothing to do with the FEDERAL NICS system.   

 Your ignorance  while trying to appear to be intelligent  is showing through, again.

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I read that.  It is New York, where big sodas and guns are outlawed.  So, the only armed people are the NYPD, and the criminals.  NY is a hole.  I have been there once for work.  I would never go there again on purpose now that I am retired.  All the people I encountered at the airport from TSA, to everyone else were competing to see who could have the biggest attitude and be the biggest dick.  I don't care for that sort of environment.  When it was work, I had no choice.  Now, that I am retired, hell no.

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2 hours ago, gwalchmai said:

Yes, sorry. I got caught up in the moment and before I knew it I was on I-75 heading for Florida. ;)

You are already providing that information with every contact you with any device you use that is attached to the internet. Most people do it voluntary. Just ask google. They track all your searches. Just ask Facebook...Facebook has been known to data mine computers that have not accessed Facebook.

You have become the product sold.

Apple phones with fingerprints to access phones created one of the single best biometric databases anywhere...matching millions very personally to their intimate relationship with their phone and data.

All the government has to do is ask nicely or just get a court order.

Show me the man. I will show you the crime.  That's were this is headed.

 

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"There should be more restrictions on how guns are purchased,” Paul McQuillen, director of the Buffalo chapter of New Yorkers Against Gun Violence (NYAGC), told ABC-affiliate WFTS. “We should have more background checks.”

GUN CONTROL: NEW YORK WANTS TO MAKE YOU SUBMIT SOCIAL MEDIA HISTORY BEFORE PURCHASING GUN

 
 
 
 
 
even the journalist, a group not known for their intellect, gets the intent stated in the article itself.
the defenders and detractors get the idea clearly stated.
 
Perhaps your more advanced at parsing phrases and nuance than a Newsweek journalist.
 
I don’t want to be
 
 
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