fortyofforty Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 In case any of you forgot, this was the reason the Founders included the Second Amendment in the Bill of Rights, and why it absolutely applies to ARs and other semi-automatic rifles. California Dem says US would win 'short war' against gun-rights advocates: 'The government has nukes' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norton Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Yeah, that worked out in Vietnam. Didn't it? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moeman Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 That twat is a pandering turd. Oh, sure, nuke other Americans? United we we stand divided we fall. What ever happened to the moderate, middle? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve4102 Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 How would one separate the intended targets and the innocent with a Nuke? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 I'm going to be kind. I've not had coffee yet. What...a dumbass. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 I don't ask for much, God. Keep this man from breeding. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyofforty Posted November 17, 2018 Author Share Posted November 17, 2018 Obviously, he wasn't serious. Completely. But his flippant comment is meant to convey the message that the GOVERNMENT has access to all the power, all the heavy weapons, all the armor, all the warplanes. The message is that, if BIG GOV wants to crush anyone, at any time, it can and will. I can only imagine his head--and thousands of liberal, leftwing, whacked-out wacko, National Socialist, Fascist heads--exploding if Donald Trump had made such a comment. We would have lost our hearing from the noise of all the explosions. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windowasher Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 What a moron. The US military hasn't been able to end the S^!t in Afghanistan in 17 years. They don't have a chance against 300,000,000 guns in the hands of US citizens. My question to him is, "how you gone confiscate and collect 300,000,000 guns in America when you claim you can't find and deport 25 million people in the country illegally??" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james bay area Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 we will crush you if you resist us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G19 DB Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 I don't need it, I want it. Against that twit, I'll take a wooden spoon. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Am Groot! Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 1 hour ago, windowasher said: What a moron. The US military hasn't been able to end the S^!t in Afghanistan in 17 years. They don't have a chance against 300,000,000 guns in the hands of US citizens. My question to him is, "how you gone confiscate and collect 300,000,000 guns in America when you claim you can't find and deport 25 million people in the country illegally??" Yeah. We have no doubts. They'll never be able to pry my guns from my cold dead fingers cause I live and I live. Nobody knows how strong I am but me. I won't die easy at all. Anyone thinks they have authority to take them from my while I'm alive might see what they don't want to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windowasher Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 It's 4am. You and your family are asleep in your beds. Suddenly the front door bursts open and a flash bang goes off. Masked, armed men rush into your home and demand your guns. Are you going to put your family's lives in jeopardy or are you going to surrender your guns? Pick off one or two families in each neighborhood like this and the rest will comply like the sheeple they are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar_ml Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 The only reason it's gotten as bad and as far along as it has is because they manage to do it one little step at a time, so that the vast majority of people's lives are at worst minorly affected. Once they start making it obvious that they are going to try to get their way with force, they will find out just how sharp the claws are on the sleeping bear they've been poking. 8 hours ago, windowasher said: It's 4am. You and your family are asleep in your beds. Suddenly the front door bursts open and a flash bang goes off. Masked, armed men rush into your home and demand your guns. Are you going to put your family's lives in jeopardy or are you going to surrender your guns? Pick off one or two families in each neighborhood like this and the rest will comply like the sheeple they are The problem with this scenario is the type of people they can find that will actually do things like this, at least at the current time, are the type that will take an overly zealous approach to confiscation, and it can almost be guaranteed that shortly after they start doing this there will end up with more than a few dead people that were well respected members of their community. At that point would your attitude be to wait for them to come and murder your family, or will you actively fight back? I imagine that not a lot of people doing the raids will actually be from the communities they are raiding, because most law enforcement officers have to live in their communities, and they signed up to be police to protect them from real criminals, not ones made by the government that aren't doing anything to threaten anyone. So people start fighting back. At some point large groups of outside forces will be called into an area. Where will these forces come from? Just how many trained and armed agents will there be available to quell all of these disturbances? How many people outside of the major metropolitan areas are going to blindly accept martial law, because once they start down this road, it won't they'll have no choice but to keep going. So the question is, how many members of the National Guard and military are going to go along with this? I, like every other former or current member of the military, took an oath. I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God. Most of us take this oath very seriously. Being called upon to aim our weapons at the other citizens of our own country who did nothing to violate that oath, and being ordered to do so by the very people who are the ones ignoring the Constitution to begin with, isn't going to go very far. Couple this with just how many weapons are in circulation in this country to begin with, and starting down this route anytime soon is a very bad idea. Not going to say that it won't be tried from time to time on a smaller scale, but I don't think it will be within the next decade or two at least. Every time the government has tried anything like it it never turns out how they expect it to go (Ruby Ridge and Waco come to mind) The only way they'd know who's house to raid for guns are those who have posted them online, or have them registered. The past few years a few states have tried to force registration of so called "assault weapons" and estimates have it at less than 10% compliance. Going by that, unless they literally go house to house searching for the guns (once again in violation of the protections listed in the Constitution) they aren't going to get a whole lot of guns. At the rate they are going, in maybe 20-40 years they can try for widespread confiscation, but even then there will still be plenty of communities and people that ignore it or fight back. The way technology is changing maybe in 20 years there will be no real need for guns anywhere, and everyone will willingly turn them in. On the other hand, the technology right now is available that anyone with even a basic understanding of machining can easily build and assemble a firearm in a very short time from a few unregulated machined parts and a pile of raw materials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Any guns I had were lost in a tragic boat accident. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar_ml Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 On 11/17/2018 at 5:11 AM, fortyofforty said: In case any of you forgot, this was the reason the Founders included the Second Amendment in the Bill of Rights, and why it absolutely applies to ARs and other semi-automatic rifles. California Dem says US would win 'short war' against gun-rights advocates: 'The government has nukes' Yes, the government has nukes. Those nukes are almost entirely under control of the military. How many people in the military, that are in positions where they have access to the nukes, are zealots enough to deploy them on U.S. soil against U.S. citizens without question? On 11/17/2018 at 1:14 PM, fortyofforty said: Obviously, he wasn't serious. Completely. But his flippant comment is meant to convey the message that the GOVERNMENT has access to all the power, all the heavy weapons, all the armor, all the warplanes. The message is that, if BIG GOV wants to crush anyone, at any time, it can and will. (snip) Yes, they have heavy weaponry, but until they radically change the type of people who join the military, those people are generally not the type to willingly use those weapons against their fellow citizens. I also dare say that if they are ordered to do so right now, they would have a very large segment of the military refuse to follow those orders. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moshe Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 I thought AR's were an American staple these days. They would have the same problem that the Japanese faced in World War II, and why they decided not to invade the United States, because there was a rifle for every blade of grass. Given what I have seen in the AR market these days, I think the adage is as true now as it was then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenSixtyTwo Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 How many fully automatic rifles do you see laying around? It would be like that. His highness DT is in the process of criminalizing the possession of bump stocks at the moment. We'll see how fierce the resistance is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar_ml Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 On 11/24/2018 at 5:44 PM, Moshe said: I thought AR's were an American staple these days. They would have the same problem that the Japanese faced in World War II, and why they decided not to invade the United States, because there was a rifle for every blade of grass. Given what I have seen in the AR market these days, I think the adage is as true now as it was then. I thought it was a rifle BEHIND every blade of grass, but I could be wrong. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glocks4Freedom Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Reminds me I "need" that .300 AAC Blackout AR I always wanted... be a nice Christmas gift to me! ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs.Cicero Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Well, my alone time is for YOUR safety. So is my chocolate. And my AR(s). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moshe Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 On 11/30/2018 at 11:41 AM, SevenSixtyTwo said: How many fully automatic rifles do you see laying around? It would be like that. His highness DT is in the process of criminalizing the possession of bump stocks at the moment. We'll see how fierce the resistance is. The 86' ban needs to be overturned, but with this House structure I don't see it happening, nor the Hearing Protection Act, sadly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tehan2 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 here's the ultimate problem they have... I live in an rabidly anti state. I have a CCW and the ONLY gun I own on paper is a Ruger Mk4. Lets just say that anything else I own was handshake/cash sales while living in free states. They're not coming to my house, my .22 pistol is no threat for them (at least for the first 20 years of their war). Think what's out there TODAY, owned by citizens that nobody knows about. Who among those are willing to die defending the rights? Compare that to the police and military that decide to follow orders reluctantly, how many of them get killed before they decide it's not worth the paycheck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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