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Just now, Dric902 said:

Well??

 

why hasn’t he?

 

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If anything is done to thwart the migrant invasion, a federal judge in Hawaii will immediately issue an injunction, which will be overturned three years later.

Wilson never had a problem with a judiciary that imagined that they were the both the legislative and executive branches in one hippie socialist numpty.

Just give all of your money and property to whatever Hispanic galoot wanders into the country.

The government will if you don't.

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Passé culminates cover federal military personnel. Saying that it doesn’t apply to this or that is no better than gungrabbers saying that the second only covers muskets. All US military personnel.    

The military cannot do it

the “Punitive Raid” into Mexico was after Pancho Villa, who was also wanted by the Mexican government. Not the same thing at all.

other administrations have done the same thing this one is doing....putting troops on the border for “administrative and support” to make it look good. Paper tiger with a photo op.

 

Trump can  close every point of entry. ICE, Border Patrol, US Marshals, hell he could put FBI tac teams on the border. State has plenty of private security personnel. He could even order DOJ to start up an agency just for border security, no congress needed.

he could shut it down tommorrow

Or he could make a good show of it while doing nothing

 

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8 minutes ago, Dric902 said:

Well??

 

why hasn’t he?

Why hasn’t who what?  

If you, mean Trump, he’s got troops on the border and National Guard on the border.  He’s not going to tell the world everything.  

I suppose he could send in C-130 gunships, but that seems a little excessive to me.  

Hawk 

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4 minutes ago, Brown Hawk said:

Why hasn’t who what?  

If you, mean Trump, he’s got troops on the border and National Guard on the border.  He’s not going to tell the world everything.  

I suppose he could send in C-130 gunships, but that seems a little excessive to me.  

Hawk 

Can’t, won’t, isn’t going to.

they are still coming, and not being stopped. But the coverage is great and after the midterms, nobody is paying attention.

you remember that the Muslims were blocked entry while it was being argued in court...and in the end Trump won.

(but he put a 6 month time limit on it)

 

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The Posse law refers specifically to the Army, and has to do with catching civilian criminals, not resisting an invasion.  

And the crossing points cover how much of the border?  Maybe 100 miles?  Out of a border of 1954 miles?  

So I repeat.  How do you close the border?  Without making a big show while really doing nothing?  

And the borders are already closed by the border guards who are already doing their job while regulating normal traffic of people with business and vacation travel to do.  

Remember, Trump has already announced that no applications will be accepted unless presented at a legal crossing point.  

Hawk 

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17 minutes ago, Dric902 said:

the “Punitive Raid” into Mexico was after Pancho Villa, who was also wanted by the Mexican government. Not the same thing at all.

Don't forget that Pancho Villa's army invaded the United States and attacked Columbus, New Mexico.

That might be construed as an act of war.

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1 minute ago, tous said:

Don't forget that Pancho Villa's army invaded the United States and attacked Columbus, New Mexico.

That might be construed as an act of war.

It would if Villa represented the government of Mexico.

he didn’t, he was a fugitive from them as well. Just a crook and posse crossing the border to raid.

mexico welcomes us hoping we would kill him

 

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14 minutes ago, Dric902 said:

Can’t, won’t, isn’t going to.

they are still coming, and not being stopped. But the coverage is great and after the midterms, nobody is paying attention.

you remember that the Muslims were blocked entry while it was being argued in court...and in the end Trump won.

(but he put a 6 month time limit on it)

You’re going to believe what you want to believe.  More power to you.  

Since I can do nothing about it, I prefer to wait and see, rather than make judgements based on speculation.  

May you and yours have a Happy Thanksgiving.  

Hawk 

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Indeed, but one may also argue that the Huerta government, it wasn't elected,  was not legitimate and Villa's claim as a criminal thug was as valid as Huerta's, another violent thug.

Note well that Mexico didn't really have a national government in 1916, more of a collection of territories ruled by warlords.

Huerta overthrew the elected president of Mexico, Francisco Madero, via revolution, not ballot box.

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5 minutes ago, Brown Hawk said:

You’re going to believe what you want to believe.  More power to you.  

Since I can do nothing about it, I prefer to wait and see, rather than make judgements based on speculation.  

May you and yours have a Happy Thanksgiving.  

Hawk 

I agree.....wait and see, and remember what happens. 

Blessed Thanksgiving to you

 

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It saddens me that when two intelligent hombres get into a good debate, both sides declare victory and disengage.

Both of you, look up the Posse Comitatas Act of 1878 and especially note the exceptions and pay particular attention to the modifications enacted in 2006 by a Republican president and in 2011 by a Democrat president.

So, the 101 Airborne was dispatched to, yes, enforce federal law in Little Rock, Arkansas in 1957.

A division of Marines and the Army were sent to quell the riots in Los Angeles in 1992.

You ever hear of the railroad strike of 1877?  Federal troops were used to break that and put the railroads back into operation.

 

So, does a mass invasion by citizens of another country, even if they are unarmed and not overtly hostile, qualify the military to be used to stop those actions under the insurrection exception?

Show your work.

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31 minutes ago, tous said:

Show your work.

already did Compa,

its in the political forum:

 

Just to be clear on the Passé Cumitatas, laws are amended many times;

  

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

The act only specifically applies to the United States Army 

yah, send in the marines, Navy and Air Force, right.......no

 

amended in 1956, to add the United States Air Force

well then, the navy and marines then,, ha ha!!

 

While the act does not explicitly mention the United States Navy and the United States Marine Corps, the Department of the Navy has prescribed regulations that are generally construed to give the act force with respect to those services as well.

and then qualified in the US Code:

 10 U.S.C. § 275. Restriction on direct participation by military personnel

under this chapter does not include or permit direct participation by a member of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps in a search, seizure, arrest, or other similar activity
However.....
 
  
In 2006, Congress modified the Insurrection Act as part of the 2007 Defense Authorization Bill (repealed as of 2008). On September 26, 2006, President George W. Bush urged Congress to consider revising federal laws so that U.S. armed forces could restore public order and enforce laws in the aftermath of a natural disaster, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition. These changes were included in the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 (H.R. 5122), which was signed into law on October 17, 2006.[7]
Alright Bush, go get them Trump......aha!!!
 
 
 
In 2008, these changes in the Insurrection Act of 1807 were repealed in their entirety, reverting to the previous wording of the Insurrection Act.
damn Democrooks
 
On March 10, 2009, members of the U.S. Army Military Police Corps from Fort Rucker were deployed to Samson, Alabama, in response to a murder spree. Samson officials confirmed that the soldiers assisted in traffic control and securing the crime scene. The governor of Alabama did not request military assistance nor did President Obama authorize their deployment. Subsequent investigation found that the Posse Comitatus Act was violated and several military members received "administrative actions"
 
Policing the border is a law enforcement activity and the military cannot do it.
 
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I don't go to political forums.

Good work, but it doesn't answer the question of whether an invasion by citizens of another country, violating a country's lawful borders, can be considered an insurrection.

Mercy will be proud.

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1 hour ago, tous said:

Indeed, but one may also argue that the Huerta government, it wasn't elected,  was not legitimate and Villa's claim as a criminal thug was as valid as Huerta's, another violent thug.

Note well that Mexico didn't really have a national government in 1916, more of a collection of territories ruled by warlords.

Huerta overthrew the elected president of Mexico, Francisco Madero, via revolution, not ballot box.

Mexico has a long and heartbreaking history of terrible leadership

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8 minutes ago, tous said:

I don't go to political forums.

Good work, but it doesn't answer the question of whether an invasion by citizens of another country, violating a country's lawful borders, can be considered an insurrection.

Mercy will be proud.

I’m not sure.

I would think “insurrection” would be considered an internal action, not a border control issue. Like Antifa, BLM, Baltimore riots, etc

While it is shameful that our border isn’t secure, it’s still a law enforcement problem. Like the Cuban boat people, released from prison and mental hospitals, sent by their government to Florida. Law enforcement and Coast Guard response.

was that an act of war? Maybe.

at least as much an overt act as a cyber attack would be, I think.

 

 

 

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You are quite correct. The Republicans used to be the progressive party but now this is what they seem to embrace now. As seen in a polling place in Mississippi
 
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Hahhahhahahahaha. What a maroon. Everyone knows the KKK was the militant arm of the Democratic party. He's one of yours.
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I agree.

A military is trained and intended to break the other guy's stuff and kill the other guys until the other guy quits.

Unsuited for border enforcement unless we plan to fire on them.

To my mind, insurrection is any refusal by a group, violent of not, defying established law and order, which the Central American migrant invasion certainly is.

I also agree that Mexico could be a wonderful country, but they suffered under imperialism like the US, but unlike the US, they replaced kings with dictators.

 

Thank you for your input, amigo.

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23 minutes ago, tous said:

I agree.

A military is trained and intended to break the other guy's stuff and kill the other guys until the other guy quits.

Unsuited for border enforcement unless we plan to fire on them.

To my mind, insurrection is any refusal by a group, violent of not, defying established law and order, which the Central American migrant invasion certainly is.

I also agree that Mexico could be a wonderful country, but they suffered under imperialism like the US, but unlike the US, they replaced kings with dictators.

 

Thank you for your input, amigo.

I think everyone can agree that if the border was secure this would never be an issue.

 

good night 

 

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IF COPS WONT STOP MUSLIM GANGS, ARE YOU OK WITH THESE BADASS VIGILANTES DOING THE JOB?

"Europe has quickly realized that they’re in for more than they bargained for when it came to welcoming in the hoard of refugees now flooding the continent. While many of us were initially worried only about the possibility of terrorists slipping through the cracks, that was just one potential problem. Europe is now seeing a wave of crime in areas that have opened up their borders with glee. There may not be enough police to deal with the problem, and because of that, many in Europe are taking measures into their own hands."

 

 

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