pipedreams Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 (edited) If the teacher knew from the start that it was a toy maybe they should have asked the child to put away the toy during class. "The El Paso County Sheriff’s Office said although the teacher thought it was a toy gun authorities still did a welfare check on Isaiah Elliott without parental notification." "“If her main concern was his safety, a two-minute phone call to me or my husband could easily have alleviated this whole situation to where I told them it was fake,” said Dani Elliott." https://www.foxnews.com/us/12-year-old-suspended-after-teacher-spots-toy-gun-during-virtual-class Edited September 7, 2020 by pipedreams 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windowasher Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 When daughter #2 was 14 she won a Gold Medal in Bunker/Olympic Trap with USA Shooting at the Junior National Championships in Colorado Springs in the National Championship. She won the Florida State Junior Championship 5 years in a row starting at age 12. There were quite a few uncomfortable conversations with teachers and administrators at her schools. It amazes me how vociferously some people can argue a point on a topic they know nothing about 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 6 hours ago, pipedreams said: If the teacher knew from the start that it was a toy maybe they should have asked the child to put away the toy during class. "The El Paso County Sheriff’s Office said although the teacher thought it was a toy gun authorities still did a welfare check on Isaiah Elliott without parental notification." "“If her main concern was his safety, a two-minute phone call to me or my husband could easily have alleviated this whole situation to where I told them it was fake,” said Dani Elliott." https://www.foxnews.com/us/12-year-old-suspended-after-teacher-spots-toy-gun-during-virtual-class School's seem to believe that they alone have the moral responsibility for controlling your children, but not the ethical responsibility to do it correctly! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs.Cicero Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 I'm still trying to figure out why they suspended the kid... they obviously don't GAF about him getting any education, if they think suspending a kid five days for having a toy gun in his own house is reasonable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 My kids toys are my choice, not the government's, or any shill working for them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Mrs.Cicero said: I'm still trying to figure out why they suspended the kid... they obviously don't GAF about him getting any education, if they think suspending a kid five days for having a toy gun in his own house is reasonable. Paranoid. That's what they are. What if dad walks by off duty as cop and his pistol is exposed? Happens all the time. This is a zero thinking policy. Edited September 8, 2020 by Historian 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT4494 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 How do you suspend a pupil that is virtual learning??? Not letting their IP log in??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 14 minutes ago, GT4494 said: How do you suspend a pupil that is virtual learning??? Not letting their IP log in??? You have control over who enters the class room. You can kick people out as well. They just gave the kid a week off. You really want to punish him...sent him to a Zoom call classroom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 50 minutes ago, Historian said: You have control over who enters the class room. You can kick people out as well. They just gave the kid a week off. You really want to punish him...sent him to a Zoom call classroom. You are saying that when a child is on a video call, that the teacher suddenly controls the premises the child is in, regardless of whether it is his and his parents domicile. NO! "... The founders of our Commonwealth recognized the sanctity of a person’s home. Sections 5, 10, 11 and 13 of that first Constitution also dealt with securing the protection of a person’s home. Of the 16 declared rights, 1/3 of them dealt with the sanctity of a person’s home...." "...no matter how humble, a person’s home is a sacred right and when left alone, as in not being interfered with by his neighbors and government, will live like a prince. From those words, if we are to trust John Adams, then and there the child liberty was born in America. The sanctity of a person’s home was understood as the foundation of all rights and was supposed to be the reason for laws. As John Locke had written, the reason we formed society in the first place was for the mutual protection of our rights to property...." https://jmrodkey.wordpress.com/2016/03/01/violating-the-sanctity-of-your-home/ In a real class room, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Just now, janice6 said: You are saying that when a child is on a video call, that the teacher suddenly controls the premises the child is in, regardless of whether it is his and his parents domicile. NO! "... The founders of our Commonwealth recognized the sanctity of a person’s home. Sections 5, 10, 11 and 13 of that first Constitution also dealt with securing the protection of a person’s home. Of the 16 declared rights, 1/3 of them dealt with the sanctity of a person’s home...." "...no matter how humble, a person’s home is a sacred right and when left alone, as in not being interfered with by his neighbors and government, will live like a prince. From those words, if we are to trust John Adams, then and there the child liberty was born in America. The sanctity of a person’s home was understood as the foundation of all rights and was supposed to be the reason for laws. As John Locke had written, the reason we formed society in the first place was for the mutual protection of our rights to property...." https://jmrodkey.wordpress.com/2016/03/01/violating-the-sanctity-of-your-home/ In a real class room, yes. Easy now. I did not say that. I said the teacher controls the virtual classroom as far as who enters and who does not enter the class by computer. If you aren't allowed in...you can't log in. If you're a disruption to the class they can kick you out. Just like being in a real classroom. I did not say anything about control of the house a person resides in during the virtual classroom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Just now, Historian said: Easy now. I did not say that. I said the teacher controls the virtual classroom as far as who enters and who does not enter the class by computer. If you aren't allowed in...you can't log in. If you're a disruption to the class they can kick you out. Just like being in a real classroom. I did not say anything about control of the house a person resides in during the virtual classroom. I suspected you meant this but it was ambiguous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 minute ago, janice6 said: I suspected you meant this but it was ambiguous. Well i felt the wrath of Janice and knew i needed to fix it! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT4494 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 The interesting part was that the teacher then called child protective services to have a "welfare check" done on the home.. Slippery slope for privacy iMHO and reflective of what we have teaching children nowadays!!... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windowasher Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 We are sadly teaching our children to be good little citizens of the State ?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 2 hours ago, windowasher said: We are sadly teaching our children to be good little citizens of the State ?? They are learning to be servants of the state instead of the state being servants of the people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minervadoe Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 When my son was in third grade, one of his friend's moms unfriended him because she found out we had a gun in the house. I even explained how the guns were kept in a safe and he could not get to them. She was insistent that he was no longer her son's friend. Then, the kid tried to get his little peer group to unfriend my son. In the end, the ladies kid ended up maladjusted, disheveled, and friendless and my son is actually a really nice adult now. btw: the way I explained him losing his friend was pretty much that the kid's mom had major mental problems, which I still believe to be true. After that, her kid was always trying to make toy guns out of tinker toys and the like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 24 minutes ago, minervadoe said: When my son was in third grade, one of his friend's moms unfriended him because she found out we had a gun in the house. I like my friends to have guns. Lots of guns. The more the better. It's been my experience that when you need a gun you need more than one. And you want as many friends as you can, and new friends, to have guns on your side. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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