Grocery shopping yesterday, people are stupid

[Al Czervik]

6 minutes ago, janice6 said:

It does bother me that I have masks and rubber gloves in the car and I carry a gun.  It's like I'm planning something!

But, do you have chloroform?   ?

[janice6]

Just now, Al Czervik said:

But, do you have chloroform?   ?

Nah!  I read on the Internet that you could use WD-40!

[Al Czervik]

4 minutes ago, janice6 said:

Nah!  I read on the Internet that you could use WD-40!

I'll give it a try, but saying, "excuse me ma'am, does this rag smell like WD-40, just doesn't have the same ring."

[Huaco Kid]

8 minutes ago, Al Czervik said:

But, do you have chloroform?   ?

Nah.  I enjoy the struggle.

[Al Czervik]

2 minutes ago, Huaco Kid said:

Nah.  I enjoy the struggle.

Are you assuming my privilege? ?

[Mrs.Cicero]

Well our dip **** governor has "executively ordered" that anyone not wearing a mask (in any indoor public space and any "crowded" outdoor space) will be charged with a misdemeanor (because the court told her to shove her felony charges where the sun doesn't shine) and will pay a $500 fine.  This is funny since the police she wants to enforce this bs are the same police she wants to defund.  

I have been called up for jury duty. We have to sit 6' apart and wear masks.  I will be wearing a mask that says, "This mask is as useless as the governor,"  until it sets off the inevitable (because of the mask, yes, that is what happened the last time I had to wear one for 45 minutes, and the reason why I haven't worn one anywhere since) asthma attack that will result in another trip to the ER, where I will be far likelier to be exposed to and contract the 'Rona than if I could just sit 6' away from everyone without the useless mask.  Oh, and asthma for me isn't the whistling wheeze.  it's bronchial spasms that completely close my airway and force me into non-stop coughing spells that last 4-6 hours while the folks in the ER try progressively stronger meds to make it stop, which coughing is going to spread a whole lot more germs than just letting me breathe calmly with no mask would, but whatever, no one has the sense to recognize that).  The other reason this is stupid, is that I've probably already HAD the 'Rona (we all think the Mr brought it back with him from California in February - although while it knocked him down for 3 days, all I got was the most painful HAIR I have ever had - the slightest movement of my hair made my hair follicles scream.  Anyway, there was no testing available them, and I'm not going to the hospital now for testing since I'm not sick and don't want to risk the potential exposure there.

I'm over this.  I'm over being told I'm trying to kill people by not wearing a mask.  I'm over being told by arrogant twaffle-karens  that if I'm not going to wear one, that I MUST NEVER LEAVE HOME.  I live on a farm.  I fill the truck up with gas outdoors at the pump once a week. I go to the grain elevator and get animal feed once a month.  I have to go to the grocery store MORE often than normal because the limitations on # of items purchased means I cannot buy 4 gallons of milk and not come back for a month.  When the gym reopened, after over 3 months being closed), I went to the gym, to work out with a half dozen other people who are there of their own free will - oh but wait, on Monday, everyone will have to be masked, and I won't be going anymore, again.  My quilting guilds are full of little old ladies who are actually IN a high risk group, so all those meetings are cancelled until further notice (which is the ONE scientifically supported, sensible thing that has been done - and it was done entirely voluntarily, without any input from witless Whitmer).  I went to church today for the first time in over 3 months, and I did it without a mask, because I was on the stage singing (give Whitless time, I'm sure she'll pull a Califruitcakeistan and make that illegal, too) without a mask, but 6' from everyone else up there, and 25' from the nearest row of pews.  I'm not going around sitting next to strangers and breathing within 6' of them.  I already limit my exposure to other people.  What the hell else do the Karens think they have the right to require of me?  House arrest?

I don't care if you wear one.  I don't care if you don't.  It's entirely your choice, not mine.  I will not interfere with your choice.  You are a free person.   I do care that since the gov't sees no problem in charging and fining people $500 for not wearing one, they aren't going to have any issue  forcing everyone to take a vaccine with no studies done on its longterm effects, and to demanding everyone carry the papers to prove they've had that vaccine.  That's where this is going.  And I'm not going along with that.

[jmohme]

3 hours ago, janice6 said:

They are turning into a fashion statement.

I have noticed that.

[SarahMcGlocklan]

3 hours ago, Mrs.Cicero said:

Well our dip **** governor has "executively ordered" that anyone not wearing a mask (in any indoor public space and any "crowded" outdoor space) will be charged with a misdemeanor (because the court told her to shove her felony charges where the sun doesn't shine) and will pay a $500 fine.  This is funny since the police she wants to enforce this bs are the same police she wants to defund.  

I have been called up for jury duty. We have to sit 6' apart and wear masks.  I will be wearing a mask that says, "This mask is as useless as the governor,"  until it sets off the inevitable (because of the mask, yes, that is what happened the last time I had to wear one for 45 minutes, and the reason why I haven't worn one anywhere since) asthma attack that will result in another trip to the ER, where I will be far likelier to be exposed to and contract the 'Rona than if I could just sit 6' away from everyone without the useless mask.  Oh, and asthma for me isn't the whistling wheeze.  it's bronchial spasms that completely close my airway and force me into non-stop coughing spells that last 4-6 hours while the folks in the ER try progressively stronger meds to make it stop, which coughing is going to spread a whole lot more germs than just letting me breathe calmly with no mask would, but whatever, no one has the sense to recognize that).  The other reason this is stupid, is that I've probably already HAD the 'Rona (we all think the Mr brought it back with him from California in February - although while it knocked him down for 3 days, all I got was the most painful HAIR I have ever had - the slightest movement of my hair made my hair follicles scream.  Anyway, there was no testing available them, and I'm not going to the hospital now for testing since I'm not sick and don't want to risk the potential exposure there.

I'm over this.  I'm over being told I'm trying to kill people by not wearing a mask.  I'm over being told by arrogant twaffle-karens  that if I'm not going to wear one, that I MUST NEVER LEAVE HOME.  I live on a farm.  I fill the truck up with gas outdoors at the pump once a week. I go to the grain elevator and get animal feed once a month.  I have to go to the grocery store MORE often than normal because the limitations on # of items purchased means I cannot buy 4 gallons of milk and not come back for a month.  When the gym reopened, after over 3 months being closed), I went to the gym, to work out with a half dozen other people who are there of their own free will - oh but wait, on Monday, everyone will have to be masked, and I won't be going anymore, again.  My quilting guilds are full of little old ladies who are actually IN a high risk group, so all those meetings are cancelled until further notice (which is the ONE scientifically supported, sensible thing that has been done - and it was done entirely voluntarily, without any input from witless Whitmer).  I went to church today for the first time in over 3 months, and I did it without a mask, because I was on the stage singing (give Whitless time, I'm sure she'll pull a Califruitcakeistan and make that illegal, too) without a mask, but 6' from everyone else up there, and 25' from the nearest row of pews.  I'm not going around sitting next to strangers and breathing within 6' of them.  I already limit my exposure to other people.  What the hell else do the Karens think they have the right to require of me?  House arrest?

I don't care if you wear one.  I don't care if you don't.  It's entirely your choice, not mine.  I will not interfere with your choice.  You are a free person.   I do care that since the gov't sees no problem in charging and fining people $500 for not wearing one, they aren't going to have any issue  forcing everyone to take a vaccine with no studies done on its longterm effects, and to demanding everyone carry the papers to prove they've had that vaccine.  That's where this is going.  And I'm not going along with that.

This is why the us will have 300-400k deaths by October and likely a million total by the end of next year from covid. It’s also why we will be international pariahs and not let out of our country while every other top tier democracy has beaten the virus. 

[Huaco Kid]

4 hours ago, SarahMcGlocklan said:

It’s also why we will be international pariahs and not let out of our country while every other top tier democracy has beaten the virus. 

They've become immune?

Yes,  we should do that too.

[Wyzz Kydd]

7 hours ago, SarahMcGlocklan said:

This is why the us will have 300-400k deaths by October and likely a million total by the end of next year from covid. It’s also why we will be international pariahs and not let out of our country while every other top tier democracy has beaten the virus. 

Three points.

1.  Why would we care what a bunch of socialist countries think about how we're handling the virus?  Cheese eating surrender monkeys have opinions just like everyone else, but so what?

2. Nobody has 'beaten the virus.'

3. Since it's the end of the world and all, I was wondering if you could explain why despite the fact that cases are up in Georgia (7 day rolling average of just over 3,000) deaths are the lowest they've been since April 20.  Our current 7 day rolling average is 6 deaths whereas back on April 20th it was 44. 

I hate to tell you, but those numbers don't support your highly scientific projection of 300,000 deaths plus or minus a 100,000.

I don't wear a mask and to date nobody has said a word to me about it, other than internet Karens.  I've heard some muttering behind my back, but nothing has been directly said to me.

I credit that to the fact that my natural expression says if you harass me I'll likely stomp a mudhole in your a**.

 

Please link a gold standard (double blind randomized) scientific study about the efficacy of homemade cloth masks in preventing the spread of viral contaminants.

Please link a gold standard scientific study about the efficacy of social distancing (specifically the 6 foot minimum) in preventing the spread of viruses.

I'm not going to hold my breath because neither of those exist.  But keep posting Chicken Little, if you're lucky maybe the sky will fall.

[PPQer]

Maybe this will help our Karen sleep at night.  It's not surprising for some of us.

https://thelibertyloft.com/have-portions-of-the-us-achieved-herd-immunity-to-covid-19/?utm_source=whatfinger

Have portions of the US achieved herd immunity to COVID-19?

New York, NY — As the media seems to continue to push negative coronavirus stories, we are left to wonder just how far the coronavirus has spread. Recently, the CDC chief suggested that cases were probably ten times the level reported. Most states and cities across the country would agree.

The achievement, we have all been told, is to achieve herd immunity. According to John Hopkins University, herd immunity would mean that 70% of the population would need to be immune to COVID-19 to achieve herd immunity.

In a recent conservative bashing post, two experts said that this would not be possible in the United States until well into 2021. They used New York City to help justify their numbers. They talked about how horrible the virus was and all the typical negative talking points.

A new report (NEXT POST) suggests that herd immunity may be nearing already in New York City. In one area of Queens, 68% of those tested showed positive antibodies for the virus. In another area, 56% showed positive for antibodies. According to the article, this is the highest antibody level anywhere in the world.

Virologists were quick to caution that this may not be representative of the entire population. They shared that the tests were done in specific clinics, which may skew the numbers.

CityMD, a popular urgent care chain in New York and New Jersey, conducted 314,000 antibody tests in New York City in June. Of those tested, 26% tested positive for the COVID-19 antibodies. It is certainly higher than most expected.

One virologist was quoted in the article as saying the findings were stunning. Of course, the article immediately followed with caution. The concern is because they will not say if this provides continued immunity. Experts are cautioning that guaranteed protection may not occur with antibodies and that secondary infection is possible. There is little evidence to support potential secondary infection at this point.

We are all aware that many early cases of the coronavirus may not have been identified due to a lack of testing. For many others, the absence of symptoms or their mild nature may not be a trigger to obtain testing. As we continue to learn more, it seems the United States is in a much different place than the media is telling us.

If we are close to achieving herd immunity, there is no reason for continued shutdowns. There is no reason for closing schools or punishing businesses around the country. Our economy can get back into full swing and put our neighbors back to work.

 

 

Edited July 13, 2020 by PPQer

[PPQer]

https://news.yahoo.com/scientists-hail-stunning-results-show-180918348.html

Scientists hail 'stunning' results that show areas of New York may have reached 68 percent immunity

Areas of New York have recorded a nearly 70 per cent rate of immunity to Covid-19, in what scientists have described as “stunning” findings that suggest they could be protected from any second wave.

Some 68 per cent of people who took antibody tests at a clinic in the Corona neighbourhood of Queens received positive results, while at another clinic in Jackson Heights, 56 per cent tested positive. 

The results, shared by healthcare company CityMD with the New York Times, appear to show a higher antibody rate than anywhere in the world, based on publicly released data.

The next closest is the Italian province of Bergamo, which recorded 57 per cent, followed by Alpine ski resort Ischgl, the site of Austria's biggest coronavirus outbreak, which reported 47 per cent.

Emergency doctors in New York told the Telegraph on Thursday that the rates confirmed what they had been seeing clinically in lower income areas of the city which had high minority populations.

Dr Daniel Frogel, a senior vice president for operations at CityMD, which plays a key role in the New York City’s testing program, suggested that some communities may have already achieved herd immunity. 

However, virologists cautioned that the results may not be representative of the general population as the testing was carried out at urgent care centres. They also warned that not enough data exists to conclude anything on herd immunity.

New York is among the hardest-hit cities in the world, recording some 222,000 cases and nearly 23,000 deaths to date.

Less affluent areas of the boroughs of Queens and the Bronx, which have a high proportion of Hispanic and black residents and lower-income "essential workers", have been worst affected. 

It was reported on Thursday that a staggering 74 parishoners at one Roman Catholic church in Queens have died from the coronavirus.

Wealthier areas recorded much lower rates, according to CityMD data. For example, at a clinic in Cobble Hill, a mostly white and wealthy neighbourhood in Brooklyn, only 13 per cent of people tested positive for antibodies.

The results suggest higher-income neighbourhoods may bear the brunt of any second wave to hit the city.

CityMD administered about 314,000 antibody tests in New York City, as of June 26. Citywide, 26 per cent of the tests came back positive.

New York State released its own figures at the height of the outbreak in early May, which showed the city's positive rate hovering around 20 per cent, while the Bronx on its own recorded a 34 per cent positive rate.

Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at Columbia University, called the high positive rate in Corona “a stunning finding.” 

However, she said it would be a mistake to base public health decisions off antibody rates across a population.

The “magical number for herd immunity assumes that everyone infected has complete protection from a second infection. But what about people with partial protection?” she told the NYT. “They may not get sick, but they can get infected and pass it along.”

Prof Denis Nash, an epidemiology professor at the CUNY School of Public Health, added that he thought the concept of herd immunity was more applicable to closed populations, unlike New York City neighbourhoods. 

“People from Corona, for example, who are testing negative will still be getting on the subways and going to other neighbourhoods where there may be more transmission," he told The Telegraph. “We have to be careful about applying simple epidemiological concepts to complex settings.”

 

[norcalAF]

On 7/11/2020 at 7:18 PM, Huaco Kid said:

https://fox6now.com/2020/06/07/woman-64-gets-face-punched-inside-out-after-spitting-in-old-mans-face/

I keep trying to click the link, this I gotta see! Lol

[pipedreams]

15 hours ago, janice6 said:

It does bother me that I have masks and rubber gloves in the car and I carry a gun.  It's like I'm planning something!

That's what I said about going into the bank.

[Walt Longmire]

Many people are assuming that if you recover from covid, you will be immune to further infections. Why then do we repeatedly come down with the common cold, and the many variations of the flu?

[Wyzz Kydd]

21 minutes ago, Walt Longmire said:

Many people are assuming that if you recover from covid, you will be immune to further infections. Why then do we repeatedly come down with the common cold, and the many variations of the flu?

People do gain immunity to the flu depending upon which variety they've been exposed to.  If you can't gain immunity then there can be no vaccine, as that's what a vaccine does, prompts an immune response and primes your body to respond in the event you're exposed to the real thing.   There are four main types of flu with numerous subspecies (for want of a better word).

The common cold is a term that covers hundreds of different virus that cause 'cold' symptoms.  That makes a vaccine, or immunity difficult given all the different strains of coronavirus, adenovirus, rhinovirus, etc. 

[SarahMcGlocklan]

6 hours ago, Wyzz Kydd said:

Three points.

1.  Why would we care what a bunch of socialist countries think about how we're handling the virus?  Cheese eating surrender monkeys have opinions just like everyone else, but so what?

2. Nobody has 'beaten the virus.'

3. Since it's the end of the world and all, I was wondering if you could explain why despite the fact that cases are up in Georgia (7 day rolling average of just over 3,000) deaths are the lowest they've been since April 20.  Our current 7 day rolling average is 6 deaths whereas back on April 20th it was 44. 

I hate to tell you, but those numbers don't support your highly scientific projection of 300,000 deaths plus or minus a 100,000.

I don't wear a mask and to date nobody has said a word to me about it, other than internet Karens.  I've heard some muttering behind my back, but nothing has been directly said to me.

I credit that to the fact that my natural expression says if you harass me I'll likely stomp a mudhole in your a**.

 

Please link a gold standard (double blind randomized) scientific study about the efficacy of homemade cloth masks in preventing the spread of viral contaminants.

Please link a gold standard scientific study about the efficacy of social distancing (specifically the 6 foot minimum) in preventing the spread of viruses.

I'm not going to hold my breath because neither of those exist.  But keep posting Chicken Little, if you're lucky maybe the sky will fall.

I understand the truth is so upsetting you need to pretend it’s not happening.  
 

oh and don’t look at Florida and Arizona’s numbers or how death is a lagging indicator.  

Edited July 13, 2020 by SarahMcGlocklan

[PPQer]

1 hour ago, Walt Longmire said:

Many people are assuming that if you recover from covid, you will be immune to further infections. Why then do we repeatedly come down with the common cold, and the many variations of the flu?

Because every time it's a different specific bug.  Supposedly, the common cold is a past virus that has weakened, and lot of them earlier versions of Corona.  I read somewhere that after we get herd immunity, C-19 and it's variants will be nothing more than the common cold when we  get it.

Again, supposedly, viruses get weaker when passed from person to person.  The virus' goal is to survive, not eliminate all the hosts.  It can't survive if it kills all the available hosts.

Edited July 13, 2020 by PPQer

[Wyzz Kydd]

1 hour ago, SarahMcGlocklan said:

I understand the truth is so upsetting you need to pretend it’s not happening.  
 

oh and don’t look at Florida and Arizona’s numbers or how death is a lagging indicator.  

I'm not upset, not even a little bit.  I think it's a shame that so many people have died, but it is what it is.  Covid is here for the duration.  I'm not pretending it isn't happening, I'm just looking at the probability that I'll get it at some point (very high) and the probability that I will have significant problems as a result (very low) and taking concrete steps to reduce the likelihood that Covid becomes a problem for me.

Since February I've dropped from 189 pounds to 172, while putting on about 5 pounds of muscle.  I've improved my cardiovascular health to the point where I hit 100% of my theoretical max heart rate (163) without breaking a sweat during my stress test last week.  My mild high blood pressure is now running in the one hundred and teens over the 70-80s.  A1C is better and cholesterol is down to 173 from 300+.  Not bad for 57.

So, by taking steps that I knew would have a positive impact on my ability to survive Covid, I significantly reduced my risk profile.  I guarantee that improved my likelihood of surviving this thing more than social distancing and a mask would.   

Most people are to lazy to do all that, so they put on masks or cower in their homes, or both.

Edited July 13, 2020 by Wyzz Kydd

[SigMan]

13 hours ago, Wyzz Kydd said:

Please link a gold standard (double blind randomized) scientific study about the efficacy of homemade cloth masks in preventing the spread of viral contaminants.

Can you tell me how you do a “double blind” study on the effectiveness of masks?

[Wyzz Kydd]

3 minutes ago, SigMan said:

Can you tell me how you do a “double blind” study on the effectiveness of masks?

Lol. Thanks for making my point. The efficacy of masks to stop Covid can’t be established. So we’re being told to wear them based on the hypothesis that they will help slow the spread. There’s no evidence of that, in fact there’s more evidence that HCG will help but say that and the media will laugh at you.

[SigMan]

3 minutes ago, Wyzz Kydd said:

Lol. Thanks for making my point. The efficacy of masks to stop Covid can’t be established. So we’re being told to wear them based on the hypothesis that they will help slow the spread. There’s no evidence of that, in fact there’s more evidence that HCG will help but say that and the media will laugh at you.

Of course the efficacy of masks can be established. You don’t need a double-blind study for that. There is already abundant evidence that masks reduce transmission although you can quibble with the question of degree. Would you want a surgeon operating on you without a mask?

My point is that you were asking for the impossible either because you were disingenuous or simply didn’t understand the term you used. Now I know at least one of those things is true, likely both. 

[Wyzz Kydd]

16 minutes ago, SigMan said:

Of course the efficacy of masks can be established. You don’t need a double-blind study for that. There is already abundant evidence that masks reduce transmission although you can quibble with the question of degree. Would you want a surgeon operating on you without a mask?

My point is that you were asking for the impossible either because you were disingenuous or simply didn’t understand the term you used. Now I know at least one of those things is true, likely both. 

Then wear one. You should probably social distance too if that makes you ‘feel’ safer.

[UnifiedFieldTheory]

On 7/12/2020 at 8:51 PM, janice6 said:

They are turning into a fashion statement.

I don't give two shits if they're "turning into a fashion statement" as long as people WEAR THEM.

[pipedreams]