TBO Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Police release body cam footage of Las Vegas shooting 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holyjohnson Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 44 minutes ago, TBO said: Police release body cam footage of Las Vegas shooting is that this guy at 0:13 in to the officers 10 o`clock? big balls to run into that not knowing exactly where it was coming from. to the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glockzilla10mm Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) Question remains: is all this name it and claim it stuff by ANTIFA and ISIS just sopping up the terror gravy or are there any credible connections? Edited October 4, 2017 by Glockzilla10mm Pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glockzilla10mm Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 A picture of Paddock at a recent "protest"...in case anyone was wondering which side of the fence he was shooting from.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwalchmai Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 I listened to the chattering classes on NPR this morning. After explaining the details of bump-fire they went into the controversy of whether this could be considered pre-meditated murder on Paddock's part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyofforty Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 40 minutes ago, gwalchmai said: I listened to the chattering classes on NPR this morning. After explaining the details of bump-fire they went into the controversy of whether this could be considered pre-meditated murder on Paddock's part. Yeah, I understand the confusion. He might have chosen a room, moved a dozen suitcases full of ammunition, magazines, and rifles up there, specifically positioned himself overlooking a concert venue, picked out two windows that were at a 90 degree angle from one another for two firing points, mounted bipods for stability, set up surveillance cameras in the hallway outside the room, assembled all the weapons, prevented housekeeping from entering for days, and obtained a hammer to smash out two windows to shoot through all on the spur of the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huaco Kid Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 8 minutes ago, fortyofforty said: ...........all on the spur of the moment. Someone might've scuffed his Nikes and he just couldn't allow that disrespect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwalchmai Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 That would be a wild hair of Biblical proportions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJHNSN Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Well, sadly, this incident should (you'd think) shut up those who claim the 5.56 round is an "ineffective round" ... just look what it did to people who were 400-500 yards away. High velocity bullets hitting human beings do horrible things inside the human body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFC Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 6 hours ago, JJHNSN said: Well, sadly, this incident should (you'd think) shut up those who claim the 5.56 round is an "ineffective round" ... just look what it did to people who were 400-500 yards away. High velocity bullets hitting human beings do horrible things inside the human body. I'm a believer in 5.56 lethality, but one of the guns laying there looked like a .308 to me. Time will tell what killed the victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1L26 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 3 hours ago, KFC said: I'm a believer in 5.56 lethality, but one of the guns laying there looked like a .308 to me. Time will tell what killed the victims. It was! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevekozak Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 12 hours ago, JJHNSN said: Well, sadly, this incident should (you'd think) shut up those who claim the 5.56 round is an "ineffective round" ... just look what it did to people who were 400-500 yards away. High velocity bullets hitting human beings do horrible things inside the human body. This is what you came away with from this incident? What you found to be important? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyofforty Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Not so much clamber from the Fa-Left media about the militarization of police, or removing armored vehicles from police inventories, or taking away military-style rifles from police inventories these days, is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJHNSN Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) Yes, Steve, of course, this is the most important thing about this incident and the only thing I've "come away with" from this incident. Edited October 5, 2017 by JJHNSN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJHNSN Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 15 hours ago, 1L26 said: It was! He had a large number of AR-15s with bump-fire stocks and stacks of Surefire 60 or 100 round magazines. 5.56 was his caliber of choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyofforty Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Reported last night that several of the rifles had jammed. He possibly caused malfunctions with his use of the bump stocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmerThanYou Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Sensitivity and compassion for the victims of this tragic mass shooting one would think is an appropriate reaction, hardly a snowflake concept. Making any comment on the resulting ballistics of a round chosen by the coward to kill and injure innocents is crass at best. P.S. The guy flipping off the shooter is a boss!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJHNSN Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) This is a GUN FORUM. There is nothing disrespectful or insensitive about discussing the ballistic property of the 5.56 and the devastation it caused at 400-500 yards during this incident. Edited October 5, 2017 by JJHNSN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayhem like me Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, JJHNSN said: This is a GUN FORUM. There is nothing disrespectful or insensitive about discussing the ballistic property of the 5.56 and the devastation it caused at 400-500 yards during this incident. We do have a few snowflakes around here. yes the 5.56 round will likely kill on a torso shot without immediate medical care to stop the blood loss, and shock setting in. also hitting major blood vessels/ arteries in an arm or a leg can also result in death if blood flow is not stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwalchmai Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 1 hour ago, CalmerThanYou said: Sensitivity and compassion for the victims of this tragic mass shooting one would think is an appropriate reaction, hardly a snowflake concept. Making any comment on the resulting ballistics of a round chosen by the coward to kill and injure innocents is crass at best. No, it's really not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XSIV4S Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 12 minutes ago, JJHNSN said: This is a GUN FORUM. There is nothing disrespectful or insensitive about discussing the ballistic property of the 5.56 and the devastation it caused at 400-500 yards during this incident. Yup, you nailed it....Helluva round. Now we just need to get our military to switch all there positions to hilltops and rooftops to take full advantage of the AR's capabilities. Maybe we could bring back a dirigible core, I would imagine firing straight down from hot air balloons would extend the maximum effective range quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJHNSN Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 11 minutes ago, Mayhem like me said: yes the 5.56 round will likely kill on a torso shot without immediate medical care to stop the blood loss, and shock setting in. also hitting major blood vessels/ arteries in an arm or a leg can also result in death if blood flow is not stopped. The other factor is the traumatic effect of the bullet splintering upon entering the body...something which the .223 Remington was designed to do. My point simply is that when the "experts" on gun forums declare the 5.56 round, all we have to do now is say, "Don't say that to any of the hundreds of people wounded by it in Las Vegas, not to mention the deaths." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmerThanYou Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Perhaps starting a new thread, and not pontificating about the lethal effect of a round used in a mass killing in a thread titled "Mass Shooting in Las Vegas" would be prudent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJHNSN Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Perhaps you should just avoid reading this thread if you find it so offensive or crass. That would be prudent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1L26 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 4 hours ago, JJHNSN said: He had a large number of AR-15s with bump-fire stocks and stacks of Surefire 60 or 100 round magazines. 5.56 was his caliber of choice. http://nypost.com/2017/10/03/the-tricked-out-guns-las-vegas-shooter-used-in-massacre/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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