GlocknSpiehl Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Some of my friends were off for a vacation together. This morning the one wife said after breakfast " I dont feel good". She then hit the floor. Her husband called 911 while my other friend started CPR. She kept up the CPR till the Rescue got there, a good 10 mins. The lady didn't make it. 47 years old, no history of cardiac. [emoji25] Her husband's devastated, my other friend blames herself thinking maybe she could have done better. A real crap sandwich. Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tous Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) So sorry to hear that, amigo. Best wishes to the family. Edited January 1, 2020 by tous 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXUSMC Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 I have no sufficient words of comfort, but no one on the scene of the tragedy, especially the CPR provider, should give in to pangs of guilt or inadequacy. A valiant effort was made to render aid. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostinTexas Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) 38 years of EMS, so I have a little insight. Tell her that an old grizzled paramedic thanks her for doing her best. Sudden cardiac death is minimized by the AED sales campaigns. It happens and I know a firefighter that was fortunate enough to drop dead in the station while being insulted by another crew. He is fine today, but is the exception. CPR is the final act of defiance. It is great when it ends well, but it usually ends like it starts, with a cardiac standstill. All you can do is all you can do. Redd Duke had a habit of making the complicated very simple. One of his saying went something like, "We don't save lives. We entertain the patients until God decides what to do with them". Not an exact quote, I don't think, but it simplifies the questions of rescue work. Best wishes and peace to all. Edited January 1, 2020 by LostinTexas 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holyjohnson Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 i`m Sorry for the loss of your Friend. My Prayers and Condolences to you and her Husband. God Bless. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie-pete Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Sorry for the loss of you friend and the grief your other friends are going through. A reminder to live every day like it is your last. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huski92 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 That blows. No one should feel like they didn’t do enough. No matter how well everyone did, you can’t fix certain things. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazy R Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 That's awful man, sorry to hear. People did all they could. Best wishes to all involved. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deputy tom Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Prayers sent for all involved. tom. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 I’m sorry to hear it sudden death from cardiac arrest, embolism, stroke, etc, is shocking to everyone affected 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlocknSpiehl Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 Thanks everyone. All of us are trying to provide love and support to the survivors because they are traumatized. Our CPR champ we’re trying to get her to go to her departments PTSD counselor.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tadbart Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Man, that's terrible. I'm sorry for the sudden and too soon loss of your friend. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 17 hours ago, GlocknSpiehl said: Some of my friends were off for a vacation together. This morning the one wife said after breakfast " I dont feel good". She then hit the floor. Her husband called 911 while my other friend started CPR. She kept up the CPR till the Rescue got there, a good 10 mins. The lady didn't make it. 47 years old, no history of cardiac. Her husband's devastated, my other friend blames herself thinking maybe she could have done better. A real crap sandwich. Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk The same story befell my mother. She was 42 years old. Stepped into the front door with groceries and dropped to the floor. They said she was probably dead before she hit the floor. Massive Stroke. You can't let this result in guilt. Under these circumstances everyone did what was humanly possible, and they still couldn't change the outcome. Sometime things happen that seem so bad, yet they still happen through no fault of your own. Losing a loved one is terrible at any age, but the shock of almost instantaneously losing them is very tragic. God bless and do the best you can. I'm truly sorry for your loss. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostinTexas Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 5 hours ago, GlocknSpiehl said: Thanks everyone. All of us are trying to provide love and support to the survivors because they are traumatized. Our CPR champ we’re trying to get her to go to her departments PTSD counselor. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk A lot of people think that is corny and ineffective, It isn't. It needs to be done early, so that sh knows it is OK to have the feelings she has and that she isn't alone. A normal reaction to an abnormal situation. It can help to get that stuff out of you. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueiron Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 I've used CPR four times and the success rate is .500 total in my experiences. Needless guilt will follow, but even the world's best physicians in the best equipped surgical theatres cannot save every one. She needs to seek some professional assistance to realize that she gave a valiant effort, but that CPR is not guaranteed to work. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pizza_pablo Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 I am sorry for the loss of your friend!A small comfort, especially for her husband is that she went quickly.I am watching my best friend, the love of my life, wasting away in pain, from liver and brain cancer. It is hard to bear seeing her in such pain and not being able to do anything about it.Prayers for all. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostinTexas Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 7 hours ago, blueiron said: I've used CPR four times and the success rate is .500 total in my experiences. Needless guilt will follow, but even the world's best physicians in the best equipped surgical theatres cannot save every one. She needs to seek some professional assistance to realize that she gave a valiant effort, but that CPR is not guaranteed to work. You are in quite the small percentage, unless you saw them go down. I only remember losing two that I watched arrest, one told me he felt just fine as I was watching him go into V-Tach then nothing, I was in the middle of a report to the hospital. I didn't get the chance to get back to them on it, but they figured it out and were ready for us. There were plenty that "I was just talking to them" that had rigor mortis. I suppose they were talking to the victims, but the answers were imagined because they should have been there and weren't. PTS Debriefing is a great addition to EMS that came later in my career. Many of us coped with unhealthy mechanisms and it will seep into every relationship, good time, dream, and situation if left to it's own. Way too many divorces, chemical dependencies, and depression/anxiety medicated people out there. The program seems to have lessened this some. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlocknSpiehl Posted January 2, 2020 Author Share Posted January 2, 2020 I chatted online with her last night. She has the PTS talk set up for today at her FD. She’s still shook.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs.Cicero Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Depending on whose stats you are looking at, for compression CPR (no AED), only 3-20% of people receiving it actually survive and recover enough to ever leave the hospital. I hope someone points that out to your coworker, because she has absolutely no rational reason to feel guilty. Her friend's death was in no way her fault. Even if she had an AED, combined with compression-only CPR, the survival rate is still only 40%. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 that sucks , sorry for the loss. i lost one of best friends on halloween 2009 he was 40 , healthy from all aspects as one would think . he was remodeling bathroom , i had went to lowes with him , got breakfast had some laughs . the same day me and wife headed to beach , so we get to the house and i call my mom to let her know we made it safe . i was mommas boy and always let her know we are ok . she does not sound right , im like whats wrong ? she said Lee died about 4 hours after i left . he was taking out old toilet and his 2 sons were there , and he sat down and said he felt weird . so he said im gonna lay down and he threw up on bed they called rescue and was gone before they left his house . you just never know , what really sucks he was buried on my birthday so it digs in deeper every year . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Sorry for your loss, man. Seems to be going around. Found out today a buddy of mine didn't wake up on the 1st. Just passed away in his sleep. I shook hands with him Sunday at church and he hugged my wife and daugther. 2020 is starting off as a pisser. Greg Sheldon! Always a mystery of a man. But a better man...well...you couldn't find one like him. We'll just say you couldn't find another like him. He was different in a good way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 they say we are living longer , but seems to me we are dying sooner . the last 5 people i knew who passed have been under 50 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silentpoet Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 My uncle passed away suddenly. They had just pulled into the hospital/dr office where my aunt(Mom's sister) had an appointment. They were talking and his brother asked him a question. He didn't respond. The hospital tried for like 2 hours to revive him as I recall. But the point is even right at a medical center sometimes there is nothing you can do. I once had a coworker attempt to revive a customer who had some sort of sudden cardiac event and she was unable to revive the customer. Fortunately I have never had to use my CPR training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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