pipedreams Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Rather long but quite interesting... "President Donald J. Trump has decided to restore convicted SEAL Edward Gallagher’s pay grade to chief petty officer, overriding a decision last week by the Navy’s top admiral, both Navy Times and Fox News learned. “This president recognizes the injustice of it,” Hegseth said during the broadcast. “You train someone to go fight and kill the enemy. Then they go kill the enemy the way someone doesn’t like, and then we put them in jail or we throw the book at them.” Before Gallagher’s trial kicked off, Navy judge Capt. Aaron Rugh sanctioned prosecutors for violating the SEAL’s constitutional rights. Part of his punishment included booting Cmdr. Christopher Czaplak, the lead prosecutor, for a warrantless surveillance program cooked up with NCIS agents to track emails sent by defense attorneys and Navy Times. Agents and prosecutors also were accused of manipulating witness statements to NCIS agents; using immunity grants and a bogus “target letter” in a crude attempt to keep pro-Gallagher witnesses from testifying; illegally leaking documents to the media to taint the military jury pool; and then trying to cover it all up when they got caught. After the Navy bestowed achievement medals on several prosecutors and their enlisted aides, Trump stepped in on July 31 to nix the decorations, lampooning them as “ridiculously given" awards." https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2019/11/04/report-trump-makes-seal-gallagher-a-chief-again/#.XcDh2Qcw_Lk.twitter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 As the Commander in Chief it's Trump's responsibility to ensure that any actions of the military are justified under the law and the UCMJ. This is the job of the CEO in any organization. Politics cannot be allowed to tarnish the military, it kills incentive and fair treatment of those we charge with waging war. Power needs control. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 52 minutes ago, janice6 said: Politics cannot be allowed to tarnish the military, it kills incentive and fair treatment of those we charge with waging war. Power needs control. I can’t tell if you mean Trump doing this for headlines and poll numbers or that he should stay out of the killing of a prisoner. UCMJ requires the protection of any and all prisoners at all times. (That’s a period right there) populist reactions to secure a base should not be. ”But this guy was....” ”you don’t know what this guy did....” ”anybody in that situation would....” means nothing, he was in custody. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul53 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Can't remember ever seeing such micro-managing by a POTUS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Paul53 said: Can't remember ever seeing such micro-managing by a POTUS. Clinton was being briefed on the Somalia incident and the loss of the Rangers. He was asking why we went in to recover the men. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs said “we don’t leave men behind” it was beyond him to think of it Clinton was also so involved with the Kosovo operation that he required the ceiling but demanded the bombing resulting in collateral casualties. But it got Monica off the headlines Carter was so involved with the planning of the mission into Iran to free the hostages in ‘80 that he halved the equipment they requested and required the lightless flight plan. Basically decimating the mission plan, resulting in failure. LBJ was known to pick targets In Vietnam by darts Trump playing populist BS for the base is nothing new. Probably invite him to the next State of the Union . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Dric902 said: I can’t tell if you mean Trump doing this for headlines and poll numbers or that he should stay out of the killing of a prisoner. UCMJ requires the protection of any and all prisoners at all times. (That’s a period right there) populist reactions to secure a base should not be. ”But this guy was....” ”you don’t know what this guy did....” ”anybody in that situation would....” means nothing, he was in custody. . Don't read anything into what I said that isn't there. I didn't push any agenda. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 24 minutes ago, janice6 said: Don't read anything into what I said that isn't there. I didn't push any agenda. Not assuming anything, no offense. Just unsure if you thought this was a good thing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exit Plan Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Good job Mr. President! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Dric902 said: Not assuming anything, no offense. Just unsure if you thought this was a good thing I'm simply saying good thing or not, there is a chain of command and the CinC makes the final decision. I don't know who can "correct" him, if he didn't obviously violate some laws. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TX OMFS Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 I'm simply saying good thing or not, there is a chain of command and the CinC makes the final decision. I don't know who can "correct" him, if he didn't obviously violate some laws.The voters can correct him. Something neverTrumpers & leftists have forgot. We don't have coups, we have elections. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 BREAKING: U.S. Navy Will Take CPO Gallagher’s SEAL Trident Despite POTUS Twitter “Order” The New York Times reports just hours ago, the Secretary of the Navy and the Admiral in charge of Naval Special Operations Forces have threatened to resign if President Trump makes his twitter “order” to the Navy to refrain from taking Chief Petty Officer Gallagher’s SEAL Trident, official. The secretary of the Navy and the admiral who leads the SEALs have threatened to resign or be fired if plans to expel a commando from the elite unit in a war crimes case are halted by President Trump, administration officials said Saturday. The Navy is proceeding with the disciplinary plans against the commando, Chief Petty Officer Edward Gallagher, who counts Mr. Trump as one of his most vocal supporters. After reversing a demotion in recent days, the president suggested on Thursday that he would intervene again in the case, saying that the sailor should remain in the unit a “tweet” is not an order, and nobody wants him on their team. it’s populist BS and Trump,should stay out of it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyzz Kydd Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Screw the REMF’s let them quit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 14 minutes ago, Wyzz Kydd said: Screw the REMF’s let them quit. This has hit an epic level of stupidity. A lot of people trying to figure who's stream goes the furthest. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyzz Kydd Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Trump should ask SecNav and the Seal Admiral for their resignations, effective immediately. If they don’t offer them he should have both immediately removed. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice6 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 He's either CIC or he is not. There is no maybe. What if these same people said they were going to drop a nuke on someone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) The issue is not if Trump can do this Trump shouldn’t do anything He has no idea of the history or culture involved. Nobody wants this guy on their team, he is an embarrassment. 30+ years of service means most of these people started with Reagan. Obama this, Trump that, means nothing any more than Reagan this and Clinton that. when you have this many men willing to retire. It means something no, not that they are America hating never Trump Swamp Deep State, or any other recent political buzzwords. this guy is a dirtbag and a scar on his command. If he had any real honor, he would give up his Trident himself for demeaning the command and making his brothers look unprofessional and criminal. nobody is putting him in jail, but he definitely has not held up the high standards of his command or service. He should be defrocked and discharged. Trump doesn’t know what he is talking about, just ranting for headlines and the couch riding base PS: the CinC does have to follow the UCMJ. We are a nation of laws and not men . . Edited November 24, 2019 by Dric902 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holyjohnson Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) Chief Gallagher was found Guilty of taking a picture with a dead Terrorist,the same Dead Terrorist that 13 others took pictures with including NCOs and Officers that were not Prosecuted for the exact same thing even though the same Witness also swore they all did too. as well as the same Tribunal finding corruption in the Judge Advocate General`s Office and NCIS in this trial. POWs and Enemy combatants should`nt be summarily executed or Abused,but Justice should be Equally dispensed or not at all. i don`t know what prompted The President to review this,but he did for what looks like good reason. Edited November 24, 2019 by holyjohnson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) Gallagher is not the Dead Enemy Selfie guy he is the “killed a prisoner cause he was mad guy” what kind of intel could we have gotten from the bombmaker if he had lived long enough to be interrogated? How many died from not having the intel? Maybe many but.....Trump!!! Edited November 24, 2019 by Dric902 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 I think the chief should consider himself lucky given the situation and find private sector work that will more than make up for what he lost in his navy retirement. Time to move on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 But now AP is reporting that President Trump has folded like a cheap suit: The Navy has been notified that the White House will not intervene to stop a disciplinary proceeding that could cost a SEAL his position in the elite unit, a senior Navy official said Sunday. Although President Donald Trump had tweeted on Thursday that he would not let the Navy remove Chief Petty Officer Edward Gallagher from the SEALs, the Navy was given White House guidance on Friday that it can proceed as planned, the Navy official said. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss internal matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipedreams Posted November 24, 2019 Author Share Posted November 24, 2019 Remember it's not over till it's over. "Yet with a military brass unable to accept either the word of a jury or the unsuble hint from the famously unsuble commander in chief, now we have the specter of insubordination, a military that lives by its own rules now instead of those of the commander they are sworn to serve under. They may have it in their heads that they're boss and their rules and disciplines are most important, but what's the value of any of that if they don't bother to listen to their commander in chief?" https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/11/a_bad_look_for_the_swampers_moving_against_gallagher_after_the_presidential_message_sent_was_very_clear.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) It is over WASHINGTON (AP) — The Navy has been notified that the White House will not intervene to stop a disciplinary proceeding that could cost a SEAL his position in the elite unit, a senior Navy official said Sunday. Although President Donald Trump had tweeted on Thursday that he would not let the Navy remove Chief Petty Officer Edward Gallagher from the SEALs, the Navy was given White House guidance on Friday that it can proceed as planned, the Navy official said. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss internal matters. This would seem to have defused a conflict between the president and Navy leaders, although it remained possible that Trump could still use his authority as commander in chief to intervene in the volatile and politically charged Gallagher case, despite assurances received by the Navy. Navy Secretary Richard Spencer said Saturday at an international security forum in Halifax, Nova Scotia, that he did not consider a tweet by Trump an order and would need a formal order to stop the Navy review board, scheduled to begin Dec. 2, that would determine whether Gallagher is allowed to remain in the SEALs. “I need a formal order to act,” Spencer said. Of Trump’s tweets, “I don’t interpret them as a formal order.” A tweet is not an order any more than talking in his sleep Trump was elected President/CinC. He was not elected God/King . Edited November 24, 2019 by Dric902 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipedreams Posted November 24, 2019 Author Share Posted November 24, 2019 There's more to this story, you can bet. Trump is permitting the brass to save face. As I understand it, the Chief has already put in his papers for retirement. For the Navy to convene a board to remove his SEAL designation reeks of retaliation and IMHO borders on insubordination. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fnfalman Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Screw the brass!!! Go Gallagher!!! Go Trump!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dric902 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 And every dirtbag who loses a stripe and half a months pay will be “appealing to Ceaser” and calling a press conference. the UCMJ is law, as much as any other. Let warriors deal with warriors, not press coverage and political expedience. this never should have been a story . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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